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Hey I was wondering if any of you guys have tried to incorporate rock guitar and bass (or synths that sound similar) into songs or if any of you ave built songs to have a rock type feel while still being more electronic. I've found drums aren't too terribly hard, its guitar type sounds that are tricky. Especially the feel. It ether ends up sounding tacky and cheap and stiff or not like guitar at all.

it all depends on what you really want to do. if your working on a highly synthetic sound adding guitar/acoustic instruments are going to sound of. if your working with a more organic feel the right samples will fit like a glove.
i've had a couple of remix/sample idea's recently. tried sampling some old nine inch nails but Trent has a way of leaving all his measures unloopable.
the next remix going to try to tackle is Pantera's "suicide note part 1". but for these remixes im not trying to edm, if it ends up dancable then cool. But if it winds up being IDM then so be it.
just think about what you want to do because the last thing i want to hear if im at the club is some cheesy guitar/rock remixes.

Excision & Downlink pulled it off nicely in this track from their newest ep

RandoRando wrote:Excision & Downlink pulled it off nicely in this track from their newest ep

wow. that's pretty horrible. the video is clipping and the track is totally out of tune

hasezwei wrote:
wow. that's pretty horrible. the video is clipping and the track is totally out of tune

its not clipping thats how it sounds

I've incorporated guitar and bass guitar in some tracks. Just don't for the love of god use any RealStrat or Slayer type VST's. Sounds like garbage.

If you don't own a guitar, just run a fat synth through some distortion or preferably Amplitube or Guitar Rig.

MSTRKRFT did a good job of getting a heavy "rock" sound in their track with E-40.

I've used my guitar in a few tracks, there is guitar all over this track, even a bit of slide guitar around the 57 sec mark:
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and at 1 min 18 sec in this one:
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But I'm working on something a bit more interesting in this new track:
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Working in snare rolls that you might find in a Johnny Cash track, still needs a good bit of work, its tricky cause the snares take up a lot of the space in the mix.

RandoRando wrote:Excision & Downlink pulled it off nicely in this track from their newest ep

This is really cool thanks for the reply. This song definitely is kinda close to what I'm thinking. Anyway I'm really trying for a heavy sound like power chords in a death metal song.Idk. Mostly I started this thread because I just started working with a female vocalist who is really more suited to rock and metal music especially considering her background, so I want to kinda shape my sound to suit her voice and style, while still staying true to myself. There is a good tip saying to run a fat synth through amplitude. I think I'll try that since I need to start working more outside of reason anyway.

dogmancar wrote: Anyway I'm really trying for a heavy sound like power chords in a death metal song.

Death metal is typically in drop tuning, bar chords brah. I've mixed tech metal/Djent sortof stuff with dubstep in the past but honestly I see very little good coming of this.

please don't do this

Heartless wrote: Just don't for the love of god use any RealStrat or Slayer type VST's.]

Hey bro, money, where, mouth, is.

I've pulled some legit tone out of Slayer and I'm a metal guitar player, nothing beats actually recording but I cannot, so I had to make do. If it sounds bad it's cause you're lazy, go do your hair mayne.

How's he supposed to put his money where his mouth is? Make some Slayer patches that sound like shit to prove himself right? (2 seconds later...)
If you distort anything enough it'll all approach the same sound. In my experience Slayer is pretty cheap sounding. You'd better off just making a badass bass synth and riffing with that. More control, less "bro isn't that that shitty guitar synth from fruity loops?"

OP: using simple harmony like 5th chords that are popular in rock/metal will work. (drop tuning just makes power chords easier to play, dunno what kes-es is on about, never heard that many major barre chords played in a metal song) Diminished intervals will work well for the metal sound as well. Flat 5's, 9's, etc. I figure you could get some good results as long as it's rock inspired dubstep instead of like shitty dubstep covers of aerosmith tunes. Take note of rhythmic emphasis and simplicity of some tunes you like and apply to your track.

Its quite sad noones mentioned Distance yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkM05jjHMNw

Track number 4 here, called 'Pay Up' is my attempt at setting the vibe of good old rock too EDM... no slayer patches, thanks goodness, but plenty of guitars.

http://cosmology.bandcamp.com/album/pro ... cosmhop003

SunkLo wrote:How's he supposed to put his money where his mouth is? Make some Slayer patches that sound like shit to prove himself right? (2 seconds later...)
If you distort anything enough it'll all approach the same sound. In my experience Slayer is pretty cheap sounding. You'd better off just making a badass bass synth and riffing with that. More control, less "bro isn't that that shitty guitar synth from fruity loops?"

OP: using simple harmony like 5th chords that are popular in rock/metal will work. (drop tuning just makes power chords easier to play, dunno what kes-es is on about, never heard that many major barre chords played in a metal song) Diminished intervals will work well for the metal sound as well. Flat 5's, 9's, etc. I figure you could get some good results as long as it's rock inspired dubstep instead of like shitty dubstep covers of aerosmith tunes. Take note of rhythmic emphasis and simplicity of some tunes you like and apply to your track.

I've done both of these things to a positive end, dunno man, people aren't doing it right I guess, it's not rocket science people are just lazy.

Fact is occasionally I hop on here and say dick things because I'm a jaded asshole and I don't sleep enough. wah
I play metal guitar, and unless we are referring to different things, and I think we are, most metal bands, that I would consider metal bands, play in drop tuning, and you've probably heard very little major anything in metal unless you're talking about poison and the like, which at this point in time is no longer metal.
We are in disagreement, it's whatever, I probably shouldn't have the internet.

Yeah drop tuning is so you can play power chords with one finger though! Just tremolo strum and slide your finger around lol

SunkLo wrote:Yeah drop tuning is so you can play power chords with one finger though! Just tremolo strum and slide your finger around lol

I'm like 90% sure it's more for stuff like this...

Kes-Es's legit Slayer tones:

Heartless wrote:Kes-Es's legit Slayer tones:

Lol shoo.

SunkLo wrote:Yeah drop tuning is so you can play power chords with one finger though! Just tremolo strum and slide your finger around lol

Haha thanks for saving me from a "no you're wrong!" moment. I was about to make the same point.

Anyway I'm starting to get it the thing I've really gotten out of this so far is just to avoid guitar samples altogether.

Basic A wrote:Its quite sad noones mentioned Distance yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkM05jjHMNw

Track number 4 here, called 'Pay Up' is my attempt at setting the vibe of good old rock too EDM... no slayer patches, thanks goodness, but plenty of guitars.

http://cosmology.bandcamp.com/album/pro ... cosmhop003

Yeah the distance tune is definitely similar to the type of sound I want to go for.

As for you you're song... WOW. The whole time I was just like "wha... what... ?" I'm not sure I even now what music is anymore after hearing that. Great job. There where some cool guitar sounds in there for sure but not exactly what I was thinking of.