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The future of 140 bpm music

Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:08 pm
by drooka
so, pretty much i thought it would be interesting to start a discussion amongst the members here about their thoughts on the progression of dubstep and 140-ish tunes. now, i'd like to avoid the whole 'brostep' vs. 'og' dubstep argument here, as both sides of the coin are constantly evolving and distancing themselves in terms of style, production technique etc.
pretty much, if you're into 'brostep', don't bash the chilled out styles and vice versa, just let us know what you'd like to see happen, what you see happening, or what unique things you're trying to incorporate into your tunes.

edit: I suppose i didn't explain myself too well when said '140 bpm'... a lot of responses are about how bpm shouldnt be a restraint etc.. no worries to those who brought up those points, because they are quite true, but what i really meant was this:
what will the music thats centered at 140 right now lead to? just as garage jungle and dnb influenced dubstep. by no means did i want to create a discussion solely about what a 140 bpm song would sound like in 2 years, but i guess thats what i get for poor word choice :dunce:

Re: The future of 140 bpm music

Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:14 pm
by lyons238
i agree with what you said. i like brostep and the older shit. i dont like some of the very new brostep but thats besides the point. im still not too great at producing and tend to be behind the times a bit. my style usually leans towards the beginning stages of brostep with some vibey shit too. i see myself more on like a 16 bit level, rather than a flux pavillion or skrillex.

im terrible at music theory, but i would like to learn so i could incorporate that. but i just think people should make what they like to make. people are trying to sound like already existing artists too often these days. its not bad to emulate, but its great to innovate. while i myself am guilty of emulating at times i usually just do what sounds good to me.

Re: The future of 140 bpm music

Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:54 pm
by IC0N
drooka wrote:now, i'd like to avoid the whole 'brostep' vs. 'og' dubstep argument here, as both sides of the coin are constantly evolving and distancing themselves in terms of style, production technique etc.
pretty much, if you're into 'brostep', don't bash the chilled out styles and vice versa,
I'm glad you started with this. :W:
I hate how conversations will start like this but then they just end in a huge argument. I personally love both sides. I'll be be blasting some Skrillex or Excision then right after that I just relax to some Jakes or Skream. I see both sides of it: It's not easy to make really heavy stuff (Ajapai said on Twitter that each one of his songs take about a month to finish), yet its not easy to create a good chill track that has some feeling behind it(I love how Jakes' basses are so simple yet soooo good). I will admit though that there's some newer brostep stuff coming from younger artists that's just unnecessary. I'm pretty sick of the yoi. But all in all: IT'S MUSIC. Simple as that. You don't like it? Then just leave it alone.

I think the future of dubstep or 140 bpm music (whatever you wanna call it) will be quite interesting. Personally, I live in a part of California were dubstep hasn't fully caught on so my opinion might be different than some other people's. But I believe that there's gonna be a HUGE number of people that are gonna start creating really generic music just for the sake of trying to be famous and make money. Not that there's anything wrong with getting famous and stuff but I think when it hits the mainstream, it's gonna loose some creativity and they're gonna be doing stuff thats been done for a million times before just because "that's what the people want". But I also think that the people that have been doing it for years are gonna keep pushing it forward whether or not the "mainstream crowd" likes it or not. Then when it's done being popular, it'll go back to being underground. After that happens, who knows where it'll go?

For me, I just want make music that I like. Whether that be brostep or a chill track. If you don't like it... fine. I don't really care. Like I said before. IT'S MUSIC. Simple.

Edit* I think I misunderstood the title of the thread but whatever.

Re: The future of 140 bpm music

Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:26 pm
by FSTZ
Myself and a few other producers have been making 140 bpm dubstep influenced 4x4 stuff

heavy in the synths, bass and bouncy elements

the shit works great in the club and since it's almost all around 140, you can switch it up and drop a facemelt tune to breakup your set.

here is a mix I did in case you want to hear what I am talking about
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FSTZ Global Bounce Volume Three

01. Superisk - Life is Live
02. Wascal - The Lesson (Scilist Remix)
03. Soccer Mom - Fire Tornado Uppercut
04. Diplo & Laidback Luke - Hey (Bombaman Remix)
05. Bukez Finezt - Up
06. Bombaman - Mr Muskrat
07. EshOne - Papi
08. Soccer Mom - Get On My Level
09. Bukez Finezt - Moombdub (Bombaman Remix)
10. Wascal - Overstep
11. FSTZ - Ate Up
12. EshOne - Sofistas
13. Bombaman - Look Behind You
14. Soccer Mom - They Will Etch Your Tombstone
15. SDuk - Clunge Bombaman (Remix)
16. Bukez Finezt - Rip Off
17. Run DMT - Puddled

Re: The future of 140 bpm music

Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:27 pm
by Jacob15728
I'm a big fan of brostep and (attempt to) produce it, but I also appreciate the genre's roots and still enjoy stuff like Burial, Loefah or Coki. These days I see more and more kids getting into brostep. I think it's the most popular music genre among teenagers right now, especially Skrillex. The old style deeper stuff seems to have a more dedicated, close-knit fanbase that's really into the music, it almost seems esoteric. Brostep is more like the generic music that everybody's listening to, but not that many truly appreciate or are into.

I can see both sides of the spectrum developing more, but in different directions. Brostep getting more popular but not evolving (maybe devolving...), while "proper" dubstep sees more innovation but by/for a smaller group of people.

Re: The future of 140 bpm music

Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:39 pm
by hutyluty
140bpms getting far less relevant- loads of former dubstep producers are getting slower and slower and thats where the continuum's moving

140'll stick around in "dungeon sound" and maybe brostep (thoiuugh i find it hard to believe it'll last any longer than a couple of years from now) and hopefully in the butterz grime revival but the main uk bass focus is heading down towards 130 atm

Re: The future of 140 bpm music

Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:23 pm
by billybuxton
I'm not sure about the future of music
but one thing iv always wanted to do is build a time machine and take todays music back to the 60s 70s and 80s and see how its perceived by people HAHA

Re: The future of 140 bpm music

Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:43 pm
by hasezwei
i think 140 is pretty much over. bro works surprisingly well at 110 bpm, that moombathon stuff is like a mixture of all that is wrong with electronic music played at the right speed. "dirty dutch", electro house, brostep... everything basically.
then you also have the heavier funky 110 bpm stuff like resos technetium and koan sound, you have lotsa people also moving back to drum n bass so you have 175/90 bpm

and as mentioned above theres whole new universes being created at the 130 mark. so yeah tons of exploration at different speeds but 140 doesn't get any of the cake. sad but true.

Re: The future of 140 bpm music

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:55 am
by Dystinkt
im just disappointed there arent as many good second/third wave dubstep producers as there was from the first set. i think thats why 140s not as strong as it once was really

Re: The future of 140 bpm music

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:32 am
by psychedelicatessen
Fastest tune I ever made was 115, and it had more movement and drive than some tracks around 150+ bpm, according to a few trusted friends and musicians I've collaborated with.
I like to slow things down and let the music itself drive the vibe in some ways.
BPM is really irrelevant to me, as are time signatures. I turn those off in my daws, and I end up making 2-5 measure drum loops before I can find a point where cutting at the end of the measure won't cut out important elements, because I don't use a 4 to the floor or a half step drum beat, and I don't let tempo define "chilled out" versus more aggressive stuff.

Since I haven't followed dubstep (or any genre more than learning the history of things) much at all, and I've been listening to EDM for a little over a year, I can't make a truly valid statement on the future of dubstep/brostep/dungeon sound/insert-random-word here step, or 140 bpm music as it's all being termed. Really, BPM matters about as much as what color socks you wear; it may or may not be relevant beyond novelty/cosmetic/workflow (in some cases) factor.

I'm afraid I'm getting into the dangerous waters of objectivity here, but I dunno who remembers the black metal scene? The first wave is really the only wave that is recognized to be true black metal by the musicians and hardcore fans that were the first wave. The second and third waves just sounded generic, cliche, and it's now just jokes pretty much. Now black metal is infused with punk, which went through a similar pattern, albeit lasting a few more generations and still legitimately in existence throughout the world, but don't get me started on what passes as "punk" I'm sure we're all aware of that. Back in the days of classical rock, that WAS pop music. stuff like Cream, the who, rolling stones, pink floyd, to name a couple... that was pop music. Artists like Bob Dylan and the beatles started changing the nature of pop music, but back then, the popular music had some talent behind it, and was about the music. As more and more aspiring musicians wanted to get known and write music and be heard, they had to rely on being catchy, image, or pure songwriting as they were competing with classical and jazz trained musicians who've been playing all their lives for the most part.

/mini rant
I could go on and on and on... I ought to be a historian and delve into this stuff. I know some of what I said has no relevance, some isn't accurate or true, and I've thrown my opinion into all this because this is, after all, a debate. I dunno, it's all up to discussion and I'm not adamant of only having the view I've expressed. I'm up for discussion.

Re: The future of 140 bpm music

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:07 am
by cloud capture
been listening to 140bpm bass music since the 80's. The future is wide open.

Re: The future of 140 bpm music

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:15 am
by almostskate100
I'm a HUGE fan of the 175-180 bpm stuff -- Bassnectar is legit my idol. But I feel like the whole genre as a whole has so much potential for evolution and creative expansion. I think people (especially those who haven't been listening to dubstep for that long) too often categorize the whole genre as just 140 bpm tunes, when really there are SO many ways to express this style of music. Though I'm not a huge Skrillex fan, I think he does a pretty good job at pushing the genre to its limit by incorporating a vast range of musical styles. Bassnectar has perfected this, in my opinion, and that's why I'd love to see the genre move towards this expansive yet cohesive musical expression.

Re: The future of 140 bpm music

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:41 am
by BadWolf
IMO, 140 BPM dubstep isn't going to go away just because people experiment with other bpms. I personally almost never produce at 140 anymore because I make housestep thats usually around 128-130 but what I do doesn't replace previous dubstep conventions, not simply because it isn't influential or big enough or whatever you want to call it, but because these experiments and permutations merely complement and enhance the main body of work. Lots of artists now produce at my bpm and even slower, (koan sound), but these are notable for being exceptions not "improvements" or a sign that thats where dubstep is headed.

Re: The future of 140 bpm music

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:58 am
by drooka
hutyluty wrote:140bpms getting far less relevant- loads of former dubstep producers are getting slower and slower and thats where the continuum's moving

140'll stick around in "dungeon sound" and maybe brostep (thoiuugh i find it hard to believe it'll last any longer than a couple of years from now) and hopefully in the butterz grime revival but the main uk bass focus is heading down towards 130 atm
any particular dubstep influced 130 that you recommend?

Re: The future of 140 bpm music

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:22 am
by wub
Genres & BPMs are but shackles that restrain us. To truly evolve our productions, we must cast off these chains and let our influences & tastes guide us, not be bound by labels and numbers.

Re: The future of 140 bpm music

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:06 am
by Sharmaji

Re: The future of 140 bpm music

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:09 am
by Sharmaji
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Re: The future of 140 bpm music

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:52 am
by hutyluty
drooka wrote:
hutyluty wrote:140bpms getting far less relevant- loads of former dubstep producers are getting slower and slower and thats where the continuum's moving

140'll stick around in "dungeon sound" and maybe brostep (thoiuugh i find it hard to believe it'll last any longer than a couple of years from now) and hopefully in the butterz grime revival but the main uk bass focus is heading down towards 130 atm
any particular dubstep influced 130 that you recommend?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvv8GsBqFJM
pearson sound- stifle 129

http://soundcloud.com/weareblahblahblah ... ck-trouble
kingdom-uptown buck 128

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDsOeE7v9Qo
peverelist sundance 132

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YuTUNayytM
hackman close 130

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFAxkQAHvh0
deadboy drake remix 126

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Du-dzThe2k
boddika warehouse 130

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh3pu-txHmE
pangaea won't hurt 134

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5L6sNrI ... re=related
breton RDI girl unit remix 133

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bwrO23csTs
bok bok silo pass 133

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQyEBaZA ... re=related
blawan bohla 129

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa8RJsodw7w
mosca bax 134

all bpms blatant guesses :6:

Re: The future of 140 bpm music

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:22 pm
by FSTZ
cloud capture wrote:been listening to 140bpm bass music since the 80's. The future is wide open.
^^^agree
wub wrote:Genres & BPMs are but shackles that restrain us. To truly evolve our productions, we must cast off these chains and let our influences & tastes guide us, not be bound by labels and numbers.
^^^totally agree

Re: The future of 140 bpm music

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:55 pm
by symmetricalsounds
wub wrote: let our influences & tastes guide us,
fuckin yes

exactly what you should be focusing on when you make music.