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After a hard long decision on choosing FL studio or Reason I decided to stick with Reason, although FL is easier to get into, I feel that Reason will allow me to produce less cheesy and more authentic sounds than FL typically permits.

Now the big question I have is about sampling and all that surrounds it.

It seems like a lot of people use pre done drum kit sounds, or sound samples and modifies them afterwards.

Is it honestly obligatory to end up becoming a good producer?

I honestly feel like I cheat when I use a sample or pre made settings to make a sound.

My ideal is to create everything from scratch, so in Reason I set the synth to init patch and start from there, same for the kongo drum thing. I use no preset pack. I put all to default and create from scratch.

Is that a respectable/feasable method of producing? Or is it really necessary in the long wrong to end up sampling stuff, I just find that it kills the authenticity and would like to say I created purely from scratch 100% what my song sounds like in the end.

That's exactly how I felt in the beginning, but you'll come to realize that no one cares if you're cheating or not. They only care about what it sounds like. One of the best electronic musicians I know is KNOWN for using samples. DJ Shadow.

Although you can make drum sounds from synthesizers (I made some good snares from just white noise and sine waves), it's best to just use samples. Hell, drummers don't make their drums, they buy them because they sound good.

ChadDub wrote:That's exactly how I felt in the beginning, but you'll come to realize that no one cares if you're cheating or not. They only care about what it sounds like. One of the best electronic musicians I know is KNOWN for using samples. DJ Shadow.

Although you can make drum sounds from synthesizers (I made some good snares from just white noise and sine waves), it's best to just use samples. Hell, drummers don't make their drums, they buy them because they sound good.

I get that, but is it possible for me to create all from scratch, as if it is, then even if it takes me more time to learn I hell of a lot much prefer to do that. I get that it's not cheating but I feel like i have more flexibility if I learn the inside out of the synths/etc if I make everything myself. I was just wondering if that's feasable or if i'm "obligated" to use samples.

Think of it like this: If you were to start playing drums, would you feel bad for using a drum-set made by someone else?

Anyways, you can make music however you want to.

hudson wrote:Think of it like this: If you were to start playing drums, would you feel bad for using a drum-set made by someone else?

Anyways, you can make music however you want to.

lol I understand the logic behind it but its different, if i buy a drum then it sounds like its going too. im not gonna build my own drum, now when you talk electronic music, because the preset sounds are usualy just tweaked knobs already, then I dont know what stops me from just creating everything from scratch, even if its harder in the long run. but I was just asking people if its general a doable thing, if in the end I can just choose to really learn all from scratch then fantastic, I will, no matter how much more time it takes to accomplish something decent.

Basshunter36 wrote:

ChadDub wrote:That's exactly how I felt in the beginning, but you'll come to realize that no one cares if you're cheating or not. They only care about what it sounds like. One of the best electronic musicians I know is KNOWN for using samples. DJ Shadow.

Although you can make drum sounds from synthesizers (I made some good snares from just white noise and sine waves), it's best to just use samples. Hell, drummers don't make their drums, they buy them because they sound good.

I get that, but is it possible for me to create all from scratch, as if it is, then even if it takes me more time to learn I hell of a lot much prefer to do that. I get that it's not cheating but I feel like i have more flexibility if I learn the inside out of the synths/etc if I make everything myself. I was just wondering if that's feasable or if i'm "obligated" to use samples.

Well it's good, and almost a neccessity, to learn how to use synths to make your own patches. Whereas making your own drums isn't very popular. People do layer samples on top of samples to make a whole different drum, making it punchier or whatever.

Using presets are up to you. I used to be totally against using them but now I'm sort of accepting the idea that using them is ok. Like I said, who cares how you made it, just care about the sound.

Basshunter36 wrote:I feel that Reason will allow me to produce less cheesy and more authentic sounds than FL typically permits.

Troll? Yea

DoWork wrote:

Basshunter36 wrote:I feel that Reason will allow me to produce less cheesy and more authentic sounds than FL typically permits.

Troll? Yea

Troll...? I'm just saying what I think given the general information i've gotten from many users. FL has its pros but from general comments of many people Reason seems to be able to produce cleaner sounds overall than FL, not saying FL can't make good sounds. I didn't come on to troll I just stated something as it came to mind..

I have only ever used FL, so I don't know every DAW's pros and cons, but I'd say each of them are about the same. It's just up to what you like.

Lol. FL makes cheesy sounds cause YOU make cheesy sounds. Not bein a dick (I haven't heard any of your tunes) , just saying. Just rewire reason into FL

Reason is probably more likely to produce cheesy sounds than FL because it doesn't support VST's. With FL you can make anything you want with anything you want.

Basshunter36 wrote:I feel that Reason will allow me to produce less cheesy and more authentic sounds than FL typically permits.

The quality of sound is a result of the producer and their limitations, not the software being used.

Basshunter36 wrote:Now the big question I have is about sampling and all that surrounds it.

It seems like a lot of people use pre done drum kit sounds, or sound samples and modifies them afterwards.

Is it honestly obligatory to end up becoming a good producer?

Nothing is obligatory in production. Do your own thing.

Basshunter36 wrote:I honestly feel like I cheat when I use a sample or pre made settings to make a sound.

We have had a couple of long discussions regarding sampling morality recently;

Do you think that using loops/presets/sample packs is 'lazy' - http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=75601
Sample CD Haters - http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=214161

Basshunter36 wrote:My ideal is to create everything from scratch, so in Reason I set the synth to init patch and start from there, same for the kongo drum thing. I use no preset pack. I put all to default and create from scratch.

Is that a respectable/feasable method of producing? Or is it really necessary in the long wrong to end up sampling stuff, I just find that it kills the authenticity and would like to say I created purely from scratch 100% what my song sounds like in the end.

Spend less time worrying about what is feasible, or indeed what other people think of you, and more time actually practicing your production techniques. You'll benefit far more if you stop giving a shit what people are expecting.

Funk the bullshit, if it sounds good, use it. End

Basshunter36 wrote:

DoWork wrote:

Basshunter36 wrote:I feel that Reason will allow me to produce less cheesy and more authentic sounds than FL typically permits.

Troll? Yea

Troll...? I'm just saying what I think given the general information i've gotten from many users. FL has its pros but from general comments of many people Reason seems to be able to produce cleaner sounds overall than FL, not saying FL can't make good sounds. I didn't come on to troll I just stated something as it came to mind..

Your gonna be really disappointed when you realize that audio works the same way in all DAWs.

Audio works the same way in all aspects of audio, digital or not... Much less DAW-to-DAW...

Whats your reasoning behind thinking this? You think Reasons synths make more square square waves then FL or some shit?

Teknicyde wrote: You think Reasons synths make more square square waves then FL or some shit?

hahaha

Sampling is an artform, your missing out on one of the funnest parts of production if you neglect it.

I feel like to be a good prodcuer you must learn how to sample and synthesize hits/patches. These techniques are useful and in order to be a competent producer you must atleast become familiar with each technique.

Deciding what works best for you and your workflow is a decsion you also will have to make for yourself, but is easier to due based on first hand experience. Knowledge is power!

I felt like samlping drums was cheating when I first started too, then I started to realize how much work goes into making a tune that doesn't sound cheesy.
It's like if your job is to paint the ceiling of the Sistine chapel and your worried about should you make your own paint or buy it. I'd say use what ever you want for drums but maybe that synth programming time is better spent on the other sounds in the tune.