Reason 4
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:42 pm
(I know, I know, Reason should be used as a tool and you can Rewire it but stil ...)
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:54 pm
Why wont they just have VST support?
(I know, I know, Reason should be used as a tool and you can Rewire it but stil ...)
(I know, I know, Reason should be used as a tool and you can Rewire it but stil ...)
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:44 pm
yeh, pretty annoying tho if you haven't got a decent pc..when i used reason if i'd rewire it, it would crash...or be irritant for how slow.
i still got sound issues with reason, even tho i know good producers who do use reason.. i've been off it for a while, but i'm thinking to go back on it..on nuendo it sounds better and all that, but it's just not too user's friendly and it takes me ages to do simple things that would take me 5 mins on reason..
i still got sound issues with reason, even tho i know good producers who do use reason.. i've been off it for a while, but i'm thinking to go back on it..on nuendo it sounds better and all that, but it's just not too user's friendly and it takes me ages to do simple things that would take me 5 mins on reason..
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:37 pm
copy pasted from propellorheads website...
Detroit's Aux 88 have seen technologies come and go. Their old school Electro sound was originally created using LED-laden silver boxes and miles of cables. Now that they are preparing for their big tour together with the cream of the Detroit Techno scene, Keith Tucker and Tommy Hamilton spill the beans on their current way of work.
We were lucky to catch up with AUX 88 during a tour break when they were back in their studio preparing new material for the upcoming Electronic Music Tour together with Juan Atkins (Model 500), People Mover, Posatronix, DJ Surgeon and Black Electric.
"We've been using a lot of digital programs and Reason is one of them that we use for live performances and just recently we decided to switch all of our live applications to Reason for live performances", Keith Tucker, aka DJ K1, explains.
"Using Reason has been a true blessing for us", he continues. "I remember back in the days how much gear we used to carry around. We had all those keyboards, you had to tow them with you and hope you would get the same sound."
"Another thing I like about the program is that it's very clean and it sounds massive when played live in a big venue. It's just so crystal clean. We would never have been able to do that with all the analog stuff. It would be all messed up", says Tom Hamilton".
Aux 88 have always focused on playing live. Giving up their old hardware setup for Reason also helped them in developing their shows.
"When we are playing live, we use control surfaces that work perfectly with Reason so we can control effects, mute the music and do mixes towards the end of the song", Keith Tucker says. "Every night it's never going to sound the same, because we're always going to do things a little bit different. It's nice using the control surfaces because you can manipulate and change the song."
Apart from doing live mixing and manipulation, Aux 88 also does a fair bit of playing on stage. "Most people don't know this, but both Tom and me are classically trained. We like to play the string parts live. Like most Detroit techno, we really like to add eerie, beautiful strings to our tracks."
Aux 88 recently released their self-titled album where most of the sounds came from Reason.
"One of the first songs we did on the AUX 88 album was this track called Clones, which we did totally using Reason", says Keith Tucker. "We build a lot of our track around concepts. This is called Clones and it is a track that goes out to all the people who try to clone us. It's not a bad thing, it's a good thing! It's about how our sound has become cloned."
"One of the tools that we like to use in Reason is Redrum. The Redrum is just awesome with the sounds ready to go, straight out of the box. The drums are just nicely compressed, the kicks are poppin'", says Tom Hamilton.
We go through the track Clones, track by track. "For the bass line, We're using a basic 303 patch in the NN-19 sampler. It's nice, basic analog stuff", Tom Hamilton continues.
"If you listen to the bass line, you'll hear that it's not just a preset. It's tweaked. The bass line has some attitude to it, some funk. You'll hear that it has some accents in the playing, creating some space in the music", Keith Tucker says. "The style of electro that we do is, believe it or not, is modeled after groups like Parliament and Funkadelic. There is space in the music. Everything is in the groove and you got to hit that groove. It's gotta be in the pocket!"
Tom Hamilton continues: "Yeah, you gotta give every element room to breathe."
"Tom is really the electronic drummer", Keith says. "He's really good at putting together the kits, so we can have a AUX 88 kit that he made to create that same sound, like the "AUX88 kit 01".
"Yeah, they are just some of the sounds that we've picked. Some sound that we would normally use in a drum track", Tom Hamilton explains.
AUX 88 have remained true to their old-school electro sound since they started out more than 15 years ago.
"The first track we did was back in '93 and it was called Technology. We used a Roland R-70, R-8, Juno-106, 909. R-50E. We created this track in the studio using ADATs, a Mackie mixer. When we came across Reason, we were able to reproduce the whole song, exactly like it was recorded back then in '93 so we can play it live", says Tom Hamilton.
Talking about all this is kind of a rare for us because we never let people know what gear we use", says Keith Hamilton. "But now it's like we've been doing this for a long time and we can use the same gear as you are using, but it doesn't mean it's going to sound the same. We have our own sound that I don't think is ever going to change and we don't want to change. It's just going to keep getting fatter and more funky every time we make something."
Detroit's Aux 88 have seen technologies come and go. Their old school Electro sound was originally created using LED-laden silver boxes and miles of cables. Now that they are preparing for their big tour together with the cream of the Detroit Techno scene, Keith Tucker and Tommy Hamilton spill the beans on their current way of work.
We were lucky to catch up with AUX 88 during a tour break when they were back in their studio preparing new material for the upcoming Electronic Music Tour together with Juan Atkins (Model 500), People Mover, Posatronix, DJ Surgeon and Black Electric.
"We've been using a lot of digital programs and Reason is one of them that we use for live performances and just recently we decided to switch all of our live applications to Reason for live performances", Keith Tucker, aka DJ K1, explains.
"Using Reason has been a true blessing for us", he continues. "I remember back in the days how much gear we used to carry around. We had all those keyboards, you had to tow them with you and hope you would get the same sound."
"Another thing I like about the program is that it's very clean and it sounds massive when played live in a big venue. It's just so crystal clean. We would never have been able to do that with all the analog stuff. It would be all messed up", says Tom Hamilton".
Aux 88 have always focused on playing live. Giving up their old hardware setup for Reason also helped them in developing their shows.
"When we are playing live, we use control surfaces that work perfectly with Reason so we can control effects, mute the music and do mixes towards the end of the song", Keith Tucker says. "Every night it's never going to sound the same, because we're always going to do things a little bit different. It's nice using the control surfaces because you can manipulate and change the song."
Apart from doing live mixing and manipulation, Aux 88 also does a fair bit of playing on stage. "Most people don't know this, but both Tom and me are classically trained. We like to play the string parts live. Like most Detroit techno, we really like to add eerie, beautiful strings to our tracks."
Aux 88 recently released their self-titled album where most of the sounds came from Reason.
"One of the first songs we did on the AUX 88 album was this track called Clones, which we did totally using Reason", says Keith Tucker. "We build a lot of our track around concepts. This is called Clones and it is a track that goes out to all the people who try to clone us. It's not a bad thing, it's a good thing! It's about how our sound has become cloned."
"One of the tools that we like to use in Reason is Redrum. The Redrum is just awesome with the sounds ready to go, straight out of the box. The drums are just nicely compressed, the kicks are poppin'", says Tom Hamilton.
We go through the track Clones, track by track. "For the bass line, We're using a basic 303 patch in the NN-19 sampler. It's nice, basic analog stuff", Tom Hamilton continues.
"If you listen to the bass line, you'll hear that it's not just a preset. It's tweaked. The bass line has some attitude to it, some funk. You'll hear that it has some accents in the playing, creating some space in the music", Keith Tucker says. "The style of electro that we do is, believe it or not, is modeled after groups like Parliament and Funkadelic. There is space in the music. Everything is in the groove and you got to hit that groove. It's gotta be in the pocket!"
Tom Hamilton continues: "Yeah, you gotta give every element room to breathe."
"Tom is really the electronic drummer", Keith says. "He's really good at putting together the kits, so we can have a AUX 88 kit that he made to create that same sound, like the "AUX88 kit 01".
"Yeah, they are just some of the sounds that we've picked. Some sound that we would normally use in a drum track", Tom Hamilton explains.
AUX 88 have remained true to their old-school electro sound since they started out more than 15 years ago.
"The first track we did was back in '93 and it was called Technology. We used a Roland R-70, R-8, Juno-106, 909. R-50E. We created this track in the studio using ADATs, a Mackie mixer. When we came across Reason, we were able to reproduce the whole song, exactly like it was recorded back then in '93 so we can play it live", says Tom Hamilton.
Talking about all this is kind of a rare for us because we never let people know what gear we use", says Keith Hamilton. "But now it's like we've been doing this for a long time and we can use the same gear as you are using, but it doesn't mean it's going to sound the same. We have our own sound that I don't think is ever going to change and we don't want to change. It's just going to keep getting fatter and more funky every time we make something."
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:51 pm
awesome, i just got reason 3
:oops:
:oops:
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 12:57 am
I don't see anything about reason 4 on their site.
Reason users are screaming for vst support. Just fucking do it ffs. Stability was a concern in 2001 but this is 2007 and computers can handle a ton more. Can't stand rewiring. But I'll still keep using it because thats my instrument. After 6 years of using the thing, I can't remember how a made tunes without it... oh yeah on guitars and shit lol!
Reason users are screaming for vst support. Just fucking do it ffs. Stability was a concern in 2001 but this is 2007 and computers can handle a ton more. Can't stand rewiring. But I'll still keep using it because thats my instrument. After 6 years of using the thing, I can't remember how a made tunes without it... oh yeah on guitars and shit lol!
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:55 am
I couldn't find anything from the main propellerheads page either, but here's a more direct link to the Reason 4 stuff I found somewhere else:abZ wrote:I don't see anything about reason 4 on their site.
http://www.propellerheads.se/products/r ... ticle=main
Looks tasty!
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:03 am
I saw half a year ago an video on youtube where they introduced Thor and it looked wicked. don't use reason yet much, but when 4 is coming out I take a look on it.
http://www.propellerheads.se/products/r ... ticle=thor
http://www.propellerheads.se/products/r ... ticle=thor
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:59 am
I like what I see there. Now for the wait.3RDEYE wrote:I couldn't find anything from the main propellerheads page either, but here's a more direct link to the Reason 4 stuff I found somewhere else:abZ wrote:I don't see anything about reason 4 on their site.
http://www.propellerheads.se/products/r ... ticle=main
Looks tasty!
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:58 am
lets hope i can steal a copy the second it comes out!
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:34 pm
I used reason in the past and I still rewire Redrum but if there's one thing Reason doesn't have it's a crystal clear soundJ_J wrote: "Another thing I like about the program is that it's very clean and it sounds massive when played live in a big venue. It's just so crystal clean. We would never have been able to do that with all the analog stuff. It would be all messed up", says Tom Hamilton".
+ using Reason for live sets sounds mighty doubtful too
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:25 pm
Reason 4 has aparently been built from the ground up so HOPEFULLY they have done something about the piss poor sound quality of the synths. When using samples it can still sound very big tho, it just takes alot of work and some FX tricks to get the synths sounding anywhere near as good as some of the VSTi synths like albino and zeta.
around 4 months to wait for this i rekon, 8 - 10 weeks beta testin for reason 3 suggests reason 4 will be a similar timescale, then another 8 weeks to get it on the market.
I'm just hoping THOR can handle good dubstep bass, if not I'll stick with Live & Albino 3
around 4 months to wait for this i rekon, 8 - 10 weeks beta testin for reason 3 suggests reason 4 will be a similar timescale, then another 8 weeks to get it on the market.
I'm just hoping THOR can handle good dubstep bass, if not I'll stick with Live & Albino 3
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:27 pm
I gave up on Reason years ago.
I bought Reason 1 when it came out. I had Reason up to 2.5.
I can't really believe that the main issue with people is vst support.
You can't even record audio tracks into it yet!
Most people would not even have to rewire at all if this basic function was added. Even Fruity can record audio now.
So, it's version 4, 6 years down the line and still no direct audio recording.
Yes, and I know that you can use samples etc in some of the modules but how nice would it be to just be able to record a simple vocal track over a tune without having to open another application.
I bought Reason 1 when it came out. I had Reason up to 2.5.
I can't really believe that the main issue with people is vst support.
You can't even record audio tracks into it yet!
Most people would not even have to rewire at all if this basic function was added. Even Fruity can record audio now.
So, it's version 4, 6 years down the line and still no direct audio recording.
Yes, and I know that you can use samples etc in some of the modules but how nice would it be to just be able to record a simple vocal track over a tune without having to open another application.
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:51 pm
I'll just grab a beta version like I did for the last few upgrades. Maybe the wait won't be so long after all.
I don't really need to record audio into Reason. If I needed to do that, I think I would rather use SX anyway.
Reason doesn't even need to be VST compatable but opening it up to 3rd party developers would be nice. Just think about having a Z3ta or someshit that for neatly inside the rack.
It doesn't matter we can all bitch and moan but they will continue to ignore our requests and we will continue to use it anyway. :-/
I don't really need to record audio into Reason. If I needed to do that, I think I would rather use SX anyway.
Reason doesn't even need to be VST compatable but opening it up to 3rd party developers would be nice. Just think about having a Z3ta or someshit that for neatly inside the rack.
It doesn't matter we can all bitch and moan but they will continue to ignore our requests and we will continue to use it anyway. :-/
Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:51 pm
It doesnt bother me that it doesnt support vsts....Its not that big of a deal to rewire...(in my opinion)... I dont ever sequence in reason anyways (aside from rough ideas) ... the reason sequencer is okay for getting ideas out fast ...but for actually putting your tune together, you are far better off using cubase/nuendo or whatever your sequencer of choice is...
Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:27 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMfiK6SinXU
Here is a demo for the new synth. It looks fuckin awesome!
Here is a demo for the new synth. It looks fuckin awesome!
Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:23 pm
Tits.DLX wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMfiK6SinXU
Here is a demo for the new synth. It looks fuckin awesome!
Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:19 am
Reason dont need vst support.
Thats what Cubase or Pro Tools is for.
And as for Audio, it would be nice but personally i wouldnt use it, i didnt shell out all that cash for Pro Tools for nothin!
But it would be nice to have audio I guess....
i cant wait to test this one out!
Thats what Cubase or Pro Tools is for.
And as for Audio, it would be nice but personally i wouldnt use it, i didnt shell out all that cash for Pro Tools for nothin!
But it would be nice to have audio I guess....
i cant wait to test this one out!
Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:11 pm
That is all about to changecure wrote:I dont ever sequence in reason anyways (aside from rough ideas) ... the reason sequencer is okay for getting ideas out fast ...but for actually putting your tune together, you are far better off using cubase/nuendo or whatever your sequencer of choice is...
http://www.propellerheads.se/products/r ... =sequencer
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:18 am
i just watch the u tube vid n the new synth sounds just as dull as the old ones (but every one will use it duue to it have more flashing lights)i suggest to every one to get ableton and some good vsti's