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^^^Lunch With The PM filmclip

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CLIP NAME – LUNCH WITH THE PM
LINK TO CLIP – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6523D3JjtU or http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... d=11484476
DIRECTOR NAME – KRISTY BROWN
AFFILIATIONS – WESTERNSYNTHETICS
MYSPACE/FACEBOOK/WEBSITE – http://www.subcontinentaldub.com www.myspace.com/westernsynthetics

It would be fantastic if an Anti-War clip could win this award!!!

Greatly appreciated peeps.
Kristy & Rhyece




this was a picure taken by the murdoch newspaper "The Daily Telegraph" in Sydney of the Socialist Alternative Red Bloc contingent at the APEC demonstrations yesterday (8/09/07) here in Sydney. The Red bloc was the largest, most vocal and organised contingent on the march alongside the Marintime Workers Union. Over 10,000 marched in protest against the war, imperialism and in favour of workers rights and and and end to the destruction of the environment. It was a truly inspiring day, one that I will never forget.

P.S. Im the guy at the front of the pic with the red beard and green shirt still buzzing from the from the amazing set courtesy of Benga, Moving Ninja & Mark Pritchard the night before![/url]

very nice

cheers mate

westernsynthetics wrote:cheers mate

anti-war dub

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Animaniacs - The Monkey Song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6ASFkGfCdk
its based off the song:
Dry Weather House - Hubert Porter With George Moxey & His Calypso Quintet

bump this for the heads who hate Blair, Bush & Howard

Dubstep kills Facists!

whenever i see those protests i get the impression that half the people there don't really know what they're talking about

computer rock wrote:whenever i see those protests i get the impression that half the people there don't really know what they're talking about

does it matter?

the point is that the war in iraq is illegal, unjust and killing so many people we can't even count. you don't have to be a genius to know (or care) about that.

p.s. thanks for this video! in my favorites now.

big up

big up

big upps Comrades

Glad to see you guys are feeling this

sapphic_beats wrote:

computer rock wrote:whenever i see those protests i get the impression that half the people there don't really know what they're talking about

does it matter?

the point is that the war in iraq is illegal, unjust and killing so many people we can't even count. you don't have to be a genius to know (or care) about that.

p.s. thanks for this video! in my favorites now.

First of all I think it does matter that people rationally come to the decisions they make. It's the same people who are so easily manipulated by politicians into believing whatever shit they tell them who hold the placards with the oversimplified slogans on. Afterall, those placards were probably handed to them by the national socialist party or some other political organisation with an agenda, and don't get me wrong there is nothing inherently bad about having an agenda, but when your method forgoes any kind of discussion and instead prefers pithy slogans that are more suited to a election campaign I find it hard to sympathise with your cause. Essentially it's propaganda, and I think most of those protesters are either the manipulators or the manipulated.

Secondly whether the war in iraq was morally right/wrong or illegal/legal is besides the point because from what I saw most of those protesters are demanding a withdrawl of troops, which is definitely not going to solve the current problem there. I do, however, sympathise more with those protesting that certain political figures be held accountable for the monumental fuck up (and it was a pretty big fuck up) that was the war in Iraq, but still their chosen method of walking around with stupid signs is not the best way to achieve this.

computer rock wrote: certain political figures be held accountable for the monumental fuck up (and it was a pretty big fuck up) that was the war in Iraq,

Deffo

computer rock wrote:
Secondly whether the war in iraq was morally right/wrong or illegal/legal is besides the point because from what I saw most of those protesters are demanding a withdrawl of troops, which is definitely not going to solve the current problem there.

To pull out know would be a gross derilction of our responsiblity's/morals.

Basic

We can't wash our hands of this shit.

computer rock wrote:

sapphic_beats wrote:

computer rock wrote:whenever i see those protests i get the impression that half the people there don't really know what they're talking about

does it matter?

the point is that the war in iraq is illegal, unjust and killing so many people we can't even count. you don't have to be a genius to know (or care) about that.

p.s. thanks for this video! in my favorites now.

First of all I think it does matter that people rationally come to the decisions they make. It's the same people who are so easily manipulated by politicians into believing whatever shit they tell them who hold the placards with the oversimplified slogans on. Afterall, those placards were probably handed to them by the national socialist party or some other political organisation with an agenda, and don't get me wrong there is nothing inherently bad about having an agenda, but when your method forgoes any kind of discussion and instead prefers pithy slogans that are more suited to a election campaign I find it hard to sympathise with your cause. Essentially it's propaganda, and I think most of those protesters are either the manipulators or the manipulated.

Secondly whether the war in iraq was morally right/wrong or illegal/legal is besides the point because from what I saw most of those protesters are demanding a withdrawl of troops, which is definitely not going to solve the current problem there. I do, however, sympathise more with those protesting that certain political figures be held accountable for the monumental fuck up (and it was a pretty big fuck up) that was the war in Iraq, but still their chosen method of walking around with stupid signs is not the best way to achieve this.

couldnt agree more

Bob Crunkhouse wrote:

computer rock wrote:

sapphic_beats wrote:

computer rock wrote:whenever i see those protests i get the impression that half the people there don't really know what they're talking about

does it matter?

the point is that the war in iraq is illegal, unjust and killing so many people we can't even count. you don't have to be a genius to know (or care) about that.

p.s. thanks for this video! in my favorites now.

First of all I think it does matter that people rationally come to the decisions they make. It's the same people who are so easily manipulated by politicians into believing whatever shit they tell them who hold the placards with the oversimplified slogans on. Afterall, those placards were probably handed to them by the national socialist party or some other political organisation with an agenda, and don't get me wrong there is nothing inherently bad about having an agenda, but when your method forgoes any kind of discussion and instead prefers pithy slogans that are more suited to a election campaign I find it hard to sympathise with your cause. Essentially it's propaganda, and I think most of those protesters are either the manipulators or the manipulated.

Secondly whether the war in iraq was morally right/wrong or illegal/legal is besides the point because from what I saw most of those protesters are demanding a withdrawl of troops, which is definitely not going to solve the current problem there. I do, however, sympathise more with those protesting that certain political figures be held accountable for the monumental fuck up (and it was a pretty big fuck up) that was the war in Iraq, but still their chosen method of walking around with stupid signs is not the best way to achieve this.

couldnt agree more

Couldnt disagree more.

It was not Bush, Howard or Blair who started this war it was US, British & Australian Imperialisim that started this war. The war in Iraq is a logical outcome of the sick system that is Capitalism.

And no, we cant simply "wash our hands of this shit" but increasing combat troops and perpetuating the bloodshed via the US occupation will not solve anything....it will only make things worse. Thats why people all over the world are calling for troops out now. It is extremely pompus and arrogant to suggest that anyone taking direct action and protesting is simply being manipulated. What do you suggest? we wait every three years to vote in another imperialist? Workers and Students have the power to strike and end these imperialist wars.

computer rock wrote:

sapphic_beats wrote:

computer rock wrote:whenever i see those protests i get the impression that half the people there don't really know what they're talking about

does it matter?

the point is that the war in iraq is illegal, unjust and killing so many people we can't even count. you don't have to be a genius to know (or care) about that.

p.s. thanks for this video! in my favorites now.

First of all I think it does matter that people rationally come to the decisions they make. It's the same people who are so easily manipulated by politicians into believing whatever shit they tell them who hold the placards with the oversimplified slogans on. Afterall, those placards were probably handed to them by the national socialist party or some other political organisation with an agenda, and don't get me wrong there is nothing inherently bad about having an agenda, but when your method forgoes any kind of discussion and instead prefers pithy slogans that are more suited to a election campaign I find it hard to sympathise with your cause. Essentially it's propaganda, and I think most of those protesters are either the manipulators or the manipulated.

Secondly whether the war in iraq was morally right/wrong or illegal/legal is besides the point because from what I saw most of those protesters are demanding a withdrawl of troops, which is definitely not going to solve the current problem there. I do, however, sympathise more with those protesting that certain political figures be held accountable for the monumental fuck up (and it was a pretty big fuck up) that was the war in Iraq, but still their chosen method of walking around with stupid signs is not the best way to achieve this.

i think at this point it has become a very visceral reaction to an untenable situation. especially here in the US, it is not just the war, but the way the Bush administration has completely hijacked the government and pissed on the constitution in the process. scandals every DAY. more illegal actions on the part of bush's cronies to take more power for themselves and leave the rest of us in the dirt. it just gets overwhelming.

and while i can sit and engage in reasoned political analysis all day long because i take the time to learn the ins and outs of the issues, i also recognize that sometimes it really does just come to a gut understanding that something is terribly, sickeningly wrong. and i don't think anyone should be denied their anger or their frustration because they may not know the in-depth facts of the situation when they can see that people are dying right now.

so in theory i agree in part that we must not allow ourselves to be manipulated by political agendas, but in reality, i think people are entitled to their anger. but they have to do more than get mad and then go back to their complacency, yes. without that realization, it really will all be for naught.

my 3 cents on the matter.

oh and as far as those folks who have posted that we cannot leave now...the iraqi people want us gone. that in itself is reason enough. we already destroyed their country, and yes, i believe that bloodier times lay ahead. but if we are to respect their right as a sovereign nation to self-determination, then we have to respect their wishes. if our presence there is only encouraging more violence, we have a serious catch 22 don't we? it is a completely untenable situation, but if the US continues with our ham-handed, completely uninformed, illogical "strategery", then our presence is not the solution, but a hindrance.

well the whole point of making this video was to intice discussion and mobilise people for the upcoming APEC protest here in Australia.

hence I am bumping this...again.

And Metalboxproducts I couldnt let you get away with this one:

Metalbox said:
"To pull out know would be a gross derilction of our responsiblity's/morals."

To invade in the first place was a gross deriliction of our morals.

I am so fed up with this notion that the Iraq people are so fucked up and crazy that its America's responsibility to civilise them and that sending in drones with macine guns and tanks is somehow going to save Iraqis from annilalation. Lets not forget that the the Mesopotamians were one of the oldest civilisations in human history so i think the Iraqis know a thing or two about culture and civilisation. America on the other hand is the new Rome. Everywhere in the world you find US troops you find destruction, violence and imperialism.

westernsynthetics wrote:well the whole point of making this video was to intice discussion and mobilise people for the upcoming APEC protest here in Australia.

hence I am bumping this...again.

And Metalboxproducts I couldnt let you get away with this one:

Metalbox said:
"To pull out know would be a gross derilction of our responsiblity's/morals."

To invade in the first place was a gross deriliction of our morals.

I am so fed up with this notion that the Iraq people are so fucked up and crazy that its America's responsibility to civilise them and that sending in drones with macine guns and tanks is somehow going to save Iraqis from annilalation. Lets not forget that the the Mesopotamians were one of the oldest civilisations in human history so i think the Iraqis know a thing or two about culture and civilisation. America on the other hand is the new Rome. Everywhere in the world you find US troops you find destruction, violence and imperialism.

I agree with the notion that we should have not gone in there in the first place. I just think now we have gone in, to pull out now would be well out of order.

I am so fed up with this notion that the Iraq people are so fucked up and crazy that its America's responsibility to civilise them and that sending in drones with macine guns and tanks is somehow going to save Iraqis from annilalation.

Who said this?