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Keep sub at same volume

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:11 pm
by talizman
Hey!

Im having problem with my sub bass, it's changes in volume alot, and im wondering what the best way is to keep it on a constant volume level.

Limiter? Compressor?

Hope you understand my question :p
Thanks in advance!

Re: Keep sub at same volume

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:15 pm
by Samuel_L_Damnson
Are you sure it is changing volume, or does it just sound quieter when the notes are lower because your speakers reproduce frequencies that low. watch the levels on your mixer and see whether the volume is actually going up and down or whether it just sounds like it is. Failing that are your velocities all over the place or something? Thais my best attempt at being helpful.
:D

Re: Keep sub at same volume

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:19 pm
by Efrafa11
Well, you can check your envelope settings in your synth...
Sustain and decay determine how much and when your synth decreases in volume overtime.
A full sustain will render the decay useless because it will sustain the volume indefinitely.
Hope this helped!

Re: Keep sub at same volume

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:43 pm
by MassAphekt
I usually do what you had in mind initially, I compress it to create a thicker feel to the sub I then limit to it that way it won't over power my other instruments and make sure your limiter is at least limiting your lowest key that way it gives it the illusion that every key is the same volume (which isnt when uncompressed and limited, even eqing your sub will create volume differences) you also don't want to have your *Un-limited* signal TOO high before limiting because it can create unwanted distortion, but a tiny bit of distortion won't hurt anyone ;)

Re: Keep sub at same volume

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:00 pm
by bl0rg
you shouldnt need to compress your sub.

What you are mostly like experiencing is the perceived volume is dipping because your speakers dont go that low.

Re: Keep sub at same volume

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:16 pm
by MassAphekt
for a square sub you could, since those take up an assload of the lower spectrum but they are more audible imo

Re: Keep sub at same volume

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:22 pm
by bl0rg
why would you use a square as a sub? a sine has the most power.

Re: Keep sub at same volume

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:16 pm
by Cubicle
bl0rg wrote:why would you use a square as a sub? a sine has the most power.
Tell that to Distance

Re: Keep sub at same volume

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:47 pm
by Sharmaji
google "room nodes"

Re: Keep sub at same volume

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:53 pm
by blinx
i limit mine gently to get rid of small inconsistencies in "volume".

Re: Keep sub at same volume

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:13 pm
by Kaslo
this is probably a given but make sure you don't have any chorus/detune or any such phasing effects that are affecting the volume of your sub. Those'll inherently create inconsistencies in amplitude

Re: Keep sub at same volume

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:33 am
by baseband
Sharmaji wrote:google "room nodes"
a good test might be to step clean sine waves down by semitones from c3 to approximate the response at the listening position. then repeat the test in decent headphones to see where the responses dont match. you'll still have the headphones' response (and the Fletcher-Munson curve), but at least you can get a rough idea of where the room (and speaker placement) is skewing the response

Re: Keep sub at same volume

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:40 am
by MassAphekt
bl0rg wrote:why would you use a square as a sub? a sine has the most power.
sure. it does. but I find it either too low or too high in the frequency range, plus sqaure subs with a careful lowcut will create a more audible sub, which helps if you really want your subs to be heard in virtually any sound system.

Re: Keep sub at same volume

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:04 am
by DJ Crackle
baseband wrote:
Sharmaji wrote:google "room nodes"
a good test might be to step clean sine waves down by semitones from c3 to approximate the response at the listening position. then repeat the test in decent headphones to see where the responses dont match. you'll still have the headphones' response (and the Fletcher-Munson curve), but at least you can get a rough idea of where the room (and speaker placement) is skewing the response
This is brilliantly simple.

Re: Keep sub at same volume

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:40 am
by bl0rg
MassAphekt wrote:
bl0rg wrote:why would you use a square as a sub? a sine has the most power.
sure. it does. but I find it either too low or too high in the frequency range, plus sqaure subs with a careful lowcut will create a more audible sub, which helps if you really want your subs to be heard in virtually any sound system.
below 50 hz anything not a sine will sound muddy. you can layer some above that if you want...