What's up guys, Just curious about some technicalities. Dubstep is clearly much more mellow and takes on a different philosophy than brostep. It seems Dubstep has more groove, use of space and lower frequency bass, more of a minimalist approach, and a more ambient feel. Brostep is has a 1,2,3,4 feel with less groove, and uses high-pitched synths and mid-range bass that lacks in the low end, and has a maximalist approach. My question is, is there a middle ground between these styles? Would it be classified as dubstep, or brostep?
KOAN Sound's more recent work such as "Blue Stripes" is that middle ground I am thinking exists but I am not sure what it is considered. The group uses midrange reese bass which seems to be inspired from drum n' bass. They use space wonderfully in this track, sub bass is used frequently, and the feel is very ambient. However, it still carries more intensity and mid-range movement than the tracks I have listened to that are considered "true dubstep."
I know the clarification may seem tedious and nit-picky to some but is of great interest and importance to me. This is the kind of music I am into producing. I still want groove, ambiance, but yet I like the edge and low-mid range filth of the reese.
Re: Middle Ground btw. Dubstep and Brostep
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:50 pm
by press
i too look to hit a bit of a middle ground. you may want to check out what alot people are calling "Dungeon" style dubstep, couple big threads in the main.
Re: Middle Ground btw. Dubstep and Brostep
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:58 pm
by hudson
It's called "Brodub".
Re: Middle Ground btw. Dubstep and Brostep
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:59 pm
by Dystinkt
I'd put Badklaat/Requake etc in the middle ground, quality midrange with massive subs and a dungeon vibe, cant go wrong
Re: Middle Ground btw. Dubstep and Brostep
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:34 pm
by Anne Droid
this is so fdumb its all dubstep, its all electronic music
this naming semantics is just for elitists to say they DONT like a certain type of music as far as im concerned
Re: Middle Ground btw. Dubstep and Brostep
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:43 pm
by daeMTHAFKNkim
It's allmusic and it's all dubstep. Stop trying to make another pointless genre ya piece of poo.
To your question. It's all fucking dubstep. Almost every artist out there that is big has their own unique style/sound. There's no point in making sub-genres for each of them.
Re: Middle Ground btw. Dubstep and Brostep
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:01 pm
by MassAphekt
Anne Droid wrote:this is so fdumb its all dubstep, its all electronic music
this naming semantics is just for elitists to say they DONT like a certain type of music as far as im concerned
this. who fucking cares, its all dubstep to me
plus music elitists or 'hipster producers' like to seperate themselves from "talentless brosteppers" as much as possible... but really this won't change the perspective of many other's who know little to none about the scene which would call every artist dubstep anyways...so why go through the trouble being a genre izan? lol
Re: Middle Ground btw. Dubstep and Brostep
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:33 pm
by press
MassAphekt wrote:
Anne Droid wrote:this is so fdumb its all dubstep, its all electronic music
this naming semantics is just for elitists to say they DONT like a certain type of music as far as im concerned
this. who fucking cares, its all dubstep to me
plus music elitists or 'hipster producers' like to seperate themselves from "talentless brosteppers" as much as possible... but really this won't change the perspective of many other's who know little to none about the scene which would call every artist dubstep anyways...so why go through the trouble being a genre izan? lol
i dunno, i think its pretty natural for any genre, i cant really think of any genres that dont have subgenres, i think its a lil "hopeful" to think dubstep would be any different.
Red, green, blue, naw fuck that they are all just colours!...i dunno.
I know there are alot of poeple who would want to use the subgenres to distance what they are into from what they arent but i think there are just as many such as myself who think its just natural and a sign of a good genres progress to be able to easily identify and commanly communicate many different vibes within. Dubstep would be equally as shit if it all sounded one way or the other its good cuz anyone wiht a taste for EDM can find a vibe they like...and more power to them if they can then describe and tell others what they are into.
I may be more lenient on the subject because i come form a dnb background and have always used the many subgenres there in to describe what i like and dont, i mean im not a big fan of tear-out but i dont think calling it tear out lessens it all or devalues it, it just lets someone know what they are in for. Id much rather just say my favorite subgenre/vibe of dnb is Techstep or Neurofunk over " i like the techno-y twisted bass scifi influenced dark stuff".
And if its all just dubstep, then really its all just garage and really its all just hardcore.
IMO.
Re: Middle Ground btw. Dubstep and Brostep
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:59 pm
by Lectric
I thin genres are for fans that want to know what term they can put to what they listen to. For example, if a guy wants to look for more tunes along the lines of Qawwali by pinch, he needs something more than just "dubstep" to identify it with, because half of what hell find is shit along the lines of Sweet Shop. new genres just make it easier for fans to identify what they want/are listening to.
Honestly idk why things like Sweet Shop are still called dubstep if they share nothing (other than tempo) in common with the original sound.
Re: Middle Ground btw. Dubstep and Brostep
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 3:12 am
by Glyphex
Lectric wrote:I thin genres are for fans that want to know what term they can put to what they listen to. For example, if a guy wants to look for more tunes along the lines of Qawwali by pinch, he needs something more than just "dubstep" to identify it with, because half of what hell find is shit along the lines of Sweet Shop. new genres just make it easier for fans to identify what they want/are listening to.
Honestly idk why things like Sweet Shop are still called dubstep if they share nothing (other than tempo) in common with the original sound.
Well said man. +1
press wrote:i too look to hit a bit of a middle ground. you may want to check out what alot people are calling "Dungeon" style dubstep, couple big threads in the main.
I most certainly will do that! Thankyou.
Re: Middle Ground btw. Dubstep and Brostep
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:05 pm
by hutyluty
There is no middle ground, you're either with us or against us!!
when the revolutiuon comes the fence sitters will be the first to fall
Re: Middle Ground btw. Dubstep and Brostep
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:30 pm
by MrAural
I'm gonna go ask the magic faun what to do.
Re: Middle Ground btw. Dubstep and Brostep
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:55 pm
by dbaxx
hutyluty wrote:There is no middle ground, you're either with us or against us!!
lmfao grow up dude, step out of your little box and get some air
@op, that koan track is fuego i hadnt heard it til just now, theyre fcukin brilliant
as far as these stupid labels, i was gonna agree with the first few posters because i loathe the idea of these hipster music elitists just hating on everything that isnt their cup-o-tea, but then i started to think of house & dnb and how vastly different the subgenres are. the terms house, dnb, dubstep, shit even rap or rock are all faaaaaar too vague and will not really help anybody differentiate anything ever (aside from distinguishing one of these 5 genres from the other). Dubstep, yeah, we get it, you guys started it, its softer and melodic with bassweight and blah blah etc, and dont get me wrong, i love it to death, kode9 & loefah are two of my favorite producers ever, but theres a time and a place, just like all music. When im smokin a joint gettin a full body massage from a big titted asian broad, im all about dubstep. however, when its saturday night and im fcukin wasted in NYC with a crew of hooligans, i wanna rage filth. I love everything, music is music is music, and people need to stop hating and be open minded. (for the record, brostep sounds fcuking retarded and throws an unfair stereotype on what is maximalist dubstep that countless different kinds of people enjoy.)
it should be divided into two groups, dubSTEP and dubSTOMP
As far as a middle ground is concerned, i would advise taking equal influences from both sides and the rest is on you. The beauty of production is being able to put YOURSELF out there, your own style and touch inspired by what YOU enjoy.
Best of luck to you in the search of brodub
Re: Middle Ground btw. Dubstep and Brostep
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:08 pm
by dbaxx
i think zeds dead has been doing a pretty sick job of maintaining a balance between the filth and the dub, while also dabbling in jungle house, dnb, hiphop, etc. These guys are the truth, get familiar
Re: Middle Ground btw. Dubstep and Brostep
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:23 pm
by cmgoodman1226
hutyluty wrote:There is no middle ground, you're either with us or against us!!
when the revolutiuon comes the fence sitters will be the first to fall
hahahaha. Genuinely lul'd at this.
Re: Middle Ground btw. Dubstep and Brostep
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 3:10 pm
by hutyluty
dbaxx wrote: Dubstep, yeah, we get it, you guys started it, its softer and melodic with bassweight and blah blah etc, and dont get me wrong, i love it to death, kode9 & loefah are two of my favorite producers ever, but theres a time and a place, just like all music. When im smokin a joint gettin a full body massage from a big titted asian broad, im all about dubstep. however, when its saturday night and im fcukin wasted in NYC with a crew of hooligans, i wanna rage filth. I love everything, music is music is music, and people need to stop hating and be open minded. (for the record, brostep sounds fcuking retarded and throws an unfair stereotype on what is maximalist dubstep that countless different kinds of people enjoy.)
it should be divided into two groups, dubSTEP and dubSTOMP
you are everything that's wrong with this world
edit: you are sooooo american lol
Re: Middle Ground btw. Dubstep and Brostep
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:12 pm
by Glyphex
dbaxx wrote:
hutyluty wrote:There is no middle ground, you're either with us or against us!!
lmfao grow up dude, step out of your little box and get some air
@op, that koan track is fuego i hadnt heard it til just now, theyre fcukin brilliant
as far as these stupid labels, i was gonna agree with the first few posters because i loathe the idea of these hipster music elitists just hating on everything that isnt their cup-o-tea, but then i started to think of house & dnb and how vastly different the subgenres are. the terms house, dnb, dubstep, shit even rap or rock are all faaaaaar too vague and will not really help anybody differentiate anything ever (aside from distinguishing one of these 5 genres from the other). Dubstep, yeah, we get it, you guys started it, its softer and melodic with bassweight and blah blah etc, and dont get me wrong, i love it to death, kode9 & loefah are two of my favorite producers ever, but theres a time and a place, just like all music. When im smokin a joint gettin a full body massage from a big titted asian broad, im all about dubstep. however, when its saturday night and im fcukin wasted in NYC with a crew of hooligans, i wanna rage filth. I love everything, music is music is music, and people need to stop hating and be open minded. (for the record, brostep sounds fcuking retarded and throws an unfair stereotype on what is maximalist dubstep that countless different kinds of people enjoy.)
it should be divided into two groups, dubSTEP and dubSTOMP
As far as a middle ground is concerned, i would advise taking equal influences from both sides and the rest is on you. The beauty of production is being able to put YOURSELF out there, your own style and touch inspired by what YOU enjoy.
Best of luck to you in the search of brodub
Well said man. However, I don't think the labels are necessarily stupid. Like you said later in this post, Dubstep is too broad of a genre to differentiate what somebody wants to listen to. I agree that "Brostep" sounds idiotic. The production and creativity involved with creating music such as Skrillex's, Kill the Noise's, Feed Me's, etc... is substantial and shouldn't be looked at as some sort of inferior genre.
And so far, that brodub is KOAN SOUND. They are my favorite group right now.
As far as production, I take influences from just about everything good that I listen too. Anything from Anders Trentemoller (Minimalist House Producer) to Kill the Noise, to KOAN, anything brilliant. I just don't like Doctor P High pitched wobbles. A rant about that sound should have a whole separate thread.
At any rate, good post
Re: Middle Ground btw. Dubstep and Brostep
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:16 pm
by Glyphex
hutyluty wrote: you are everything that's wrong with this world
edit: you are sooooo american lol
Not relevant to this thread. But still, nothing wrong with being American. Grow up a bit kid.
Re: Middle Ground btw. Dubstep and Brostep
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:16 pm
by Glyphex
hutyluty wrote: you are everything that's wrong with this world
edit: you are sooooo american lol
Not relevant to this thread. But still, nothing wrong with being American. Grow up a bit kid.
Re: Middle Ground btw. Dubstep and Brostep
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:44 pm
by MrAural
This is turning into a civil war.
We "hipsters" have automatically won by posting these.
+1
