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I listened to all the exicision shambala mixs, starting in 2008 to 2011, It changed so dramaticlly, The 2008 and 2009 versions sound much more simple and minimal compared to 2010 and 2011. Is the new stuff still using resampling, or is it more field recording and stuff, or maybe theyre using those new CPU hogging synths or something. Do you think just practicing with ZETA, albino, sylenth, and processing is enough to get to the kind of level the 2011 shambala has?

And would 2011 shambala stuff be classified as brostep or something else?

Thanks a bunch!

Evolution my friend,that's what keeps music interesting.
Yeah to the brostep,that tends to be what he plays with a mixture of other genres of music.Also sound design is just that sound design,you use whatever is at your disposal.If you have synths use synths if there is a sound you hear whilst walking about record it,there are no fast and hard rules to sound design other than make what you like,use your ears and don't stop practising.

honestly i think the mixes are getting worse and worse. i just saw excision live and while it was pretty fucking good it was a bit repetitive. i like brostep and robostep style etc etc. but he didnt switch it up at all. by the end i was sick of all the machine sounds and what not. thats why i like rusko live. he plays a mixture of dubby stuff, filthy brostep, and melodic brostep style ish stuff.

There's a theory that everything has a tendency to complexity, and it seems to be pretty much true. Music, movies, if you look at now compared to 50 years ago everything is much more advanced. I suppose it applies to producers, as they learn new tricks and switch things up a lot, and draw influences from an ever changing scene.

More complex isn't necessarily better tho. I think a lot of artists peak and then go downhill from there. I was commenting on another thread that i'm not impressed with Datsik's latest album. Sure there's a lot of good sound design in there, but there isn't that magic his old tracks had. I think a lot of artists are hungry when they start out but then later in their career they don't try as hard. I've liked a lot of peoples work over the years, but its rare that someone keeps putting out good stuff for years.

VirtualMark wrote:There's a theory that everything has a tendency to complexity, and it seems to be pretty much true. Music, movies, if you look at now compared to 50 years ago everything is much more advanced. I suppose it applies to producers, as they learn new tricks and switch things up a lot, and draw influences from an ever changing scene.

More complex isn't necessarily better tho. I think a lot of artists peak and then go downhill from there. I was commenting on another thread that i'm not impressed with Datsik's latest album. Sure there's a lot of good sound design in there, but there isn't that magic his old tracks had. I think a lot of artists are hungry when they start out but then later in their career they don't try as hard. I've liked a lot of peoples work over the years, but its rare that someone keeps putting out good stuff for years.

I agree with this totally (same thoughts on Datsik in the other thread too). A lot of producers nowadays are rtying to cram a silly amount of sound tricks into a single track.

I like the Shambala mixes, 2008's really is what got me into the much more bass heavy music and of course the robot style stuff which I'd never heard before, I rinsed it for weeks when I first got my hands on it same with 2009's which is my fave so far although, the 2008 intro is still my fave.

However I agree the mixes have become progressively "worse" but not in the sense they're bad - for me it just that they're not as fresh - for example I owned or at least had heard a lot of the 2011 tracks before I listened to the mix, whereas with the others a lot of the tracks were new to me - I've hardly listened to the 2011 mix since I downloaded it.

I also think since 2008 there have been so many new producers making simialr styles it's probably hard to put something out that is both innovative and high quality production wise.

VirtualMark wrote:but its rare that someone keeps putting out good stuff for years

In my eyes, the only people who've done this are Rob & Gareth of Pendulum/Knife Party, I've enjoyed pretty much every track they've made right from the early Pendulum DnB vinyl singles.

The dub gets purer and purer br0

Fluxit wrote:Do you think just practicing with ZETA, albino, sylenth, and processing is enough to get to the kind of level the 2011 shambala has?

Yes - thats all it really is anyways. If you follow these guys on twitter you'll occasionally see tweets about 14 hour producing sessions and stuff, thats how they're doing it. Just time, no secrets. You can take processing of sounds to any ridiculous level you want, datsik and excision and those guys are just especially good at it.

Fluxit wrote:I listened to all the exicision shambala mixs, starting in 2008 to 2011, It changed so dramaticlly, The 2008 and 2009 versions sound much more simple and minimal compared to 2010 and 2011. Is the new stuff still using resampling, or is it more field recording and stuff, or maybe theyre using those new CPU hogging synths or something. Do you think just practicing with ZETA, albino, sylenth, and processing is enough to get to the kind of level the 2011 shambala has?

And would 2011 shambala stuff be classified as brostep or something else?

Thanks a bunch!

lmao you guys are crazy. I promise you that none of the major brostep artists use "Field Recording". They just open a synth, make a sound, and enhance one way or another. Making brostep basses isn't fucking rocket science, it's just making whacky ass sounds in a synth.

This is his best mix
http://bassboxx.blogspot.com/2008/11/ex ... -2006.html
had that one in the car cd case like 6 years now

ChadDub wrote:

Fluxit wrote:I listened to all the exicision shambala mixs, starting in 2008 to 2011, It changed so dramaticlly, The 2008 and 2009 versions sound much more simple and minimal compared to 2010 and 2011. Is the new stuff still using resampling, or is it more field recording and stuff, or maybe theyre using those new CPU hogging synths or something. Do you think just practicing with ZETA, albino, sylenth, and processing is enough to get to the kind of level the 2011 shambala has?

And would 2011 shambala stuff be classified as brostep or something else?

Thanks a bunch!

lmao you guys are crazy. I promise you that none of the major brostep artists use "Field Recording". They just open a synth, make a sound, and enhance one way or another. Making brostep basses isn't fucking rocket science, it's just making whacky ass sounds in a synth.

Uhhhhh.....http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 4#p1485434

Eat Bass wrote:honestly i think the mixes are getting worse and worse. i just saw excision live and while it was pretty fucking good it was a bit repetitive. i like brostep and robostep style etc etc. but he didnt switch it up at all. by the end i was sick of all the machine sounds and what not. thats why i like rusko live. he plays a mixture of dubby stuff, filthy brostep, and melodic brostep style ish stuff.

+1 for rusko style. Im so excited to see him after school lets out, in ATL! Him at red rocks last summer was fucking NUTSO, all the reviews I read said that he outdid the disco biscuits at their own show.

cheshirebeats wrote:

Fluxit wrote:Do you think just practicing with ZETA, albino, sylenth, and processing is enough to get to the kind of level the 2011 shambala has?

Yes - thats all it really is anyways. If you follow these guys on twitter you'll occasionally see tweets about 14 hour producing sessions and stuff, thats how they're doing it. Just time, no secrets. You can take processing of sounds to any ridiculous level you want, datsik and excision and those guys are just especially good at it.

I wonder if they get sore backs, the better your music the bigger your hunchback

Fluxit wrote:I listened to all the exicision shambala mixs, starting in 2008 to 2011, It changed so dramaticlly, The 2008 and 2009 versions sound much more simple and minimal compared to 2010 and 2011. Is the new stuff still using resampling, or is it more field recording and stuff, or maybe theyre using those new CPU hogging synths or something. Do you think just practicing with ZETA, albino, sylenth, and processing is enough to get to the kind of level the 2011 shambala has?

And would 2011 shambala stuff be classified as brostep or something else?

Thanks a bunch!

You know DJs sets are made up of tunes by a large number of different people right? Reading this, the way your referencing excision, i tihnk you might be under the impression shambala mixes are all originals... they arent...

That said.

You cant explain why multiple people changed over time.

They changed because 4 years passed. Simple as that. Because in 2008 shit was different. Done.

The village during his sets are way way way the fuck too packed.

Basic A wrote:

Fluxit wrote:I listened to all the exicision shambala mixs, starting in 2008 to 2011, It changed so dramaticlly, The 2008 and 2009 versions sound much more simple and minimal compared to 2010 and 2011. Is the new stuff still using resampling, or is it more field recording and stuff, or maybe theyre using those new CPU hogging synths or something. Do you think just practicing with ZETA, albino, sylenth, and processing is enough to get to the kind of level the 2011 shambala has?

And would 2011 shambala stuff be classified as brostep or something else?

Thanks a bunch!

You know DJs sets are made up of tunes by a large number of different people right? Reading this, the way your referencing excision, i tihnk you might be under the impression shambala mixes are all originals... they arent...

That said.

You cant explain why multiple people changed over time.

They changed because 4 years passed. Simple as that. Because in 2008 shit was different. Done.

that and they've carved their own lil niche that collabs with each other and follow a formulmatic style now, frankly they can put out anything and people will buy it up
the same thing kind of happened in dnb, you had the barcode guys who all toured and collabed etc with each other,they came up with their niche then a bunch of em jumped to fidget/electro house, did the same and now some of em have come full circle into dubstep
nothing new and nothing shocking really
some people continually innovate while others find a niche and stick to it and sway as trends do and ride that wave as long as possible