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Bass in mono?
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:05 pm
by bruno belluomini
Some dubplate cutters say that they can't cut bass in stereo... So... It's normal to make bass in mono? How do you make this?
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:27 pm
by 2000f
it´s true that if you cut vinyl, the basshas to be mono. Usually the mastering/cutting engineer sum all frequencies below eg. 200 or 300 Hz to mono, as the cutting stylus can´t cut grooves at those frequencies in stereo. It´s rather technical and difficult to explain why it´s not possible.
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:35 pm
by Citrus Boy
I use a free plugin called mda image
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/786.html
I'm sure other fx packs do similar plugins..waves...psp..ultrafunkFX..etc
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:00 pm
by fubar
as far as I know there is no point in panning bass frequencies because the human ear cant recognise it so it should never need to be in stereo.
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:09 pm
by bushby
fubar wrote:as far as I know there is no point in panning bass frequencies because the human ear cant recognise it so it should never need to be in stereo.
That's what I was about to say.
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:19 pm
by 2000f
But especially in DnB, grime and dubstep alot of the bass synths are very mid-range too, and in this case stereo is an issue. What you can do, if it has to be cut on to vinyl, is to ask the mastering enginer to od it for you, or do it yourself (in Reason 3.0 you can use the new mastering units for the purpose).
In the mixing phase also make sure that kick and bass is in center. You can have a stereo bass, but this can be narrowed using the pan pots. However, if you plan to burn it to CD you should´t worry about it.
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:10 pm
by toxin
Sub - Mono
Layers - Stereo......
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:30 am
by bruno belluomini
Interesting...
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:25 am
by prismatic7
2000F wrote:it´s true that if you cut vinyl, the basshas to be mono. Usually the mastering/cutting engineer sum all frequencies below eg. 200 or 300 Hz to mono, as the cutting stylus can´t cut grooves at those frequencies in stereo. It´s rather technical and difficult to explain why it´s not possible.
think of it like this - if you try to cut heavy low-end in stereo, you'll blow the fucking needle off the cutting head.
wicked, but expensive...
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 4:39 am
by 2000f
Exatcly. As the cutting head moves both vertical and horizontal while cutting - and low end frequencies require huge grooves to be cut - it wont be able to cut those frequencies. This is the reason why the RIAA curve was introduced; this eq curve among other things thins out the low end before cutting, so the grooves cut doesn´t have to be as wide, and it is introduced again at the playback stage. This is one of the reasons why a phono signal attached to a line level input sounds weird.
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:32 am
by kion
Its not just panning of the bass that is a danger - some people fall down the trap of adding chorus to their basslines which would be a more common and problematic issue
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:37 am
by airtight
some cats droppin knowledge in here.
good info.
i knew about the sub in mono but the extra info is nice
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:06 am
by jera
helpful topic...more needed.
knowledge is power
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:02 am
by bruno belluomini
Let's start a topic... "How to make a powerful bass"... It will be very useful...
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:17 pm
by dirty_bass
there`s a plugin designed specifically for this.
And best of all it`s free
http://www.otiumfx.com/downloads.php
it`s called basslane
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 4:33 pm
by j_j
2000F wrote:But especially in DnB, grime and dubstep alot of the bass synths are very mid-range too, and in this case stereo is an issue. What you can do, if it has to be cut on to vinyl, is to ask the mastering enginer to od it for you, or do it yourself (in Reason 3.0 you can use the new mastering units for the purpose).
In the mixing phase also make sure that kick and bass is in center. You can have a stereo bass, but this can be narrowed using the pan pots. However, if you plan to burn it to CD you should´t worry about it.
Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:27 am
by unlikely
a lot of club systems are in mono too to reduce phasing so any extreme stereo stuff may not be heard in a lot of situations (always good on headphones though!)
Re: Bass in mono?
Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:00 am
by didi
there's a great free plugin called StereoTool
one of the things it does is it allows you to sum to mono everything below a frequency that you choose
Re: Bass in mono?
Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:59 am
by nowaysj
What lead you to this thread?
Re: Bass in mono?
Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:27 am
by didi