And by post-hardcore I mean bands like Glassjaw, At The Drive-In, Letlive, Lower Definition, Dance Gavin Dance, Emarosa, Envy On The Coast, La Dispute etc, maybe some more metalcore-ish stuff like what Rise Records push (Of Mice & Men etc). Personally I used to hate bands like these when I got into hardcore (was mostly into outspoken vegan sxe shit), but some of these bands really grew on me over the last couple of years and they're pretty much some of my favourites now.
Anybody else into this kinda stuff? (also, I don't mind discussions about "real" emo & screamo)
Re: Post-hardcore
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:08 pm
by Sexual_Chocolate
never was a big fan of Post HC, and thats only because i hated most hardcore (too much chat, not enough music)
Re: Post-hardcore
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:13 pm
by pkay
I've become a lot more into it over the years. I was knee deep in the real "emo" scene in the 90's and very early 00's a little more on the aggressive side than those that borrowed from shoegaze influence. It's really natural progression for a lot of people who were into emo but also into harder types of music.
Not a lot of love for post-hardcore here on SNH but seemingly a lot of old emo love. I know I talked with someone to some extent about Texas Is The Reason (probably my fav outside SDRE).
Re: Post-hardcore
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:15 pm
by pkay
absolute perfection imo
Re: Post-hardcore
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:17 pm
by ultraspatial
Nevalo wrote:never was a big fan of Post HC, and thats only because i hated most hardcore (too much chat, not enough music)
What exactly do you mean by that? I can interpret it in so many ways...
Re: Post-hardcore
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:24 pm
by ultraspatial
pkay wrote:I've become a lot more into it over the years. I was knee deep in the real "emo" scene in the 90's and very early 00's a little more on the aggressive side than those that borrowed from shoegaze influence. It's really natural progression for a lot of people who were into emo but also into harder types of music.
Not a lot of love for post-hardcore here on SNH but seemingly a lot of old emo love. I know I talked with someone to some extent about Texas Is The Reason (probably my fav outside SDRE).
Was never really into that whole midwest emo thing tbh (apart from Cap'n Jazz, fucking love them). I got way too "indie" for my taste. Was a bit into og emo bands like Rites Of Spring, Embrace, Dag Nasty etc.
Re: Post-hardcore
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:27 pm
by Sexual_Chocolate
ultraspatial wrote:
Nevalo wrote:never was a big fan of Post HC, and thats only because i hated most hardcore (too much chat, not enough music)
What exactly do you mean by that? I can interpret it so many ways...
well as a kid who grew up listening to metal, i yearned for music that was increadibly detailed & precise, complex guitar riffs & ridiculously fast drums. it was something that i never found in HC.
and then i noticed that a fair amount of HC was centered around the message that usually came through the lyrics eg being straightedge, christian etc.... and that kinda put me off it completely.
Re: Post-hardcore
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:31 pm
by pkay
I was living in the midwest from like 96-99. Was in bare emo/punk bands. The cool thing back then was to have your one core band and then find the other bands in your city and just mix and match and make retarded number of side bands. I was stuck halfway in between SDRE and US Bombs for most of my late teenage years. Was big into Cap'n Jazz too.... Fugazi and Pixies also major influence. But back then indie was indie because thats all there was. Prior to internet stardom you could only afford 7"s and *shudder* tapes.
Re: Post-hardcore
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:32 pm
by Neptune
Re: Post-hardcore
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:41 pm
by ultraspatial
Nevalo wrote:
ultraspatial wrote:
Nevalo wrote:never was a big fan of Post HC, and thats only because i hated most hardcore (too much chat, not enough music)
What exactly do you mean by that? I can interpret it so many ways...
well as a kid who grew up listening to metal, i yearned for music that was increadibly detailed & precise, complex guitar riffs & ridiculously fast drums. it was something that i never found in HC.
and then i noticed that a fair amount of HC was centered around the message that usually came through the lyrics eg being straightedge, christian etc.... and that kinda put me off it completely.
Yeah, I get that. I think it was easier for me since I was really into death metal, sludge, doom and grindcore. Then I went on to crust >>>> powerviolence, "real" screamo (pg.99, Orchid, Saetia, Ampere etc) >>>> hardcore.
There's plenty of "complex" shit like Converge, Botch, The Dillinger Escape Plan etc. The scene in Belgium is pretty strong too with Amenra, Kingdom, The Black Heart Rebellion, Oathbreaker, Hessian. There's also this new wave of really dark Entombed/Dystopia/Integrity-influenced metallic hardcore (bands like Nails, Trap Them, Xibalba, Pulling Teeth, Harm's Way, Abraxis).
Re: Post-hardcore
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:43 pm
by Neptune
Not really into the scene, but I love this song
Re: Post-hardcore
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:45 pm
by +torment+
Nevalo wrote:
ultraspatial wrote:
Nevalo wrote:never was a big fan of Post HC, and thats only because i hated most hardcore (too much chat, not enough music)
What exactly do you mean by that? I can interpret it so many ways...
well as a kid who grew up listening to metal, i yearned for music that was increadibly detailed & precise, complex guitar riffs & ridiculously fast drums. it was something that i never found in HC.
and then i noticed that a fair amount of HC was centered around the message that usually came through the lyrics eg being straightedge, christian etc.... and that kinda put me off it completely.
i think y'all are taking the term hardcore too literally here. post-hardcore was used just to lump music & a variety of bands that came out after the initial 80's hardcore punk blast. in general, peeps who played in 80's hardcore bands, who then moved on to other bands & styles that just weren't the standard fast 80's hardcore punk sounds. that's pretty much all the term signifies.
its a shame that peeps first thoughts of hardcore might be the cliched image of staunch jock rock , muscle head 90's bands in basketball shorts & wife beaters, but i could see how that could turn peeps off in general lol. still, * POST - HARDCORE * was initially just a vague term to lump bands that were around when the 80's hardcore thing started dying down. just a vague term, kinda like "grunge".
still 80's hardcore was more fun. 90's is when all the rules came in. i wouldn't let that difference cloud over some good music regardless. but i can see yer point too.
Re: Post-hardcore
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:47 pm
by Sexual_Chocolate
^^ the hatebreed lovers
ooooh yea DEP
Re: Post-hardcore
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:48 pm
by ultraspatial
pkay wrote:I was living in the midwest from like 96-99. Was in bare emo/punk bands. The cool thing back then was to have your one core band and then find the other bands in your city and just mix and match and make retarded number of side bands. I was stuck halfway in between SDRE and US Bombs for most of my late teenage years. Was big into Cap'n Jazz too.... Fugazi and Pixies also major influence. But back then indie was indie because thats all there was. Prior to internet stardom you could only afford 7"s and *shudder* tapes.
I meant "indie" as in "indie rock" (though I don't agree with how the term is used - "indie", just like "alternative" are pretty much devoid of all meaning today imo).
Re: Post-hardcore
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:55 pm
by ultraspatial
+torment+ wrote:
Nevalo wrote:
ultraspatial wrote:
Nevalo wrote:never was a big fan of Post HC, and thats only because i hated most hardcore (too much chat, not enough music)
What exactly do you mean by that? I can interpret it so many ways...
well as a kid who grew up listening to metal, i yearned for music that was increadibly detailed & precise, complex guitar riffs & ridiculously fast drums. it was something that i never found in HC.
and then i noticed that a fair amount of HC was centered around the message that usually came through the lyrics eg being straightedge, christian etc.... and that kinda put me off it completely.
i think y'all are taking the term hardcore too literally here. post-hardcore was used just to lump music & a variety of bands that came out after the initial 80's hardcore punk blast. in general, peeps who played in 80's hardcore bands, who then moved on to other bands & styles that just weren't the standard fast 80's hardcore punk sounds. that's pretty much all the term signifies.
its a shame that peeps first thoughts of hardcore might be the cliched image of staunch jock rock , muscle head 90's bands in basketball shorts & wife beaters, but i could see how that could turn peeps off in general lol. still, * POST - HARDCORE * was initially just a vague term to lump bands that were around when the 80's hardcore thing started dying down. just a vague term, kinda like "grunge".
this
Post-hc iniatially was just that, bands that had dudes who were at some point in hardcore bands and had a bare (if any) resemblance to hardcore.
The whole tough guy image came mostly from NYHC. And it's still the predominant image of hardcore for some reason.
I made this thread for what's considered today post-hardcore. Personally I find the term quite fitting.
Nevalo wrote:never was a big fan of Post HC, and thats only because i hated most hardcore (too much chat, not enough music)
What exactly do you mean by that? I can interpret it so many ways...
well as a kid who grew up listening to metal, i yearned for music that was increadibly detailed & precise, complex guitar riffs & ridiculously fast drums. it was something that i never found in HC.
and then i noticed that a fair amount of HC was centered around the message that usually came through the lyrics eg being straightedge, christian etc.... and that kinda put me off it completely.
i think y'all are taking the term hardcore too literally here. post-hardcore was used just to lump music & a variety of bands that came out after the initial 80's hardcore punk blast. in general, peeps who played in 80's hardcore bands, who then moved on to other bands & styles that just weren't the standard fast 80's hardcore punk sounds. that's pretty much all the term signifies.
its a shame that peeps first thoughts of hardcore might be the cliched image of staunch jock rock , muscle head 90's bands in basketball shorts & wife beaters, but i could see how that could turn peeps off in general lol. still, * POST - HARDCORE * was initially just a vague term to lump bands that were around when the 80's hardcore thing started dying down. just a vague term, kinda like "grunge".
this
Post-hc iniatially was just that, bands that had dudes who were at some point in hardcore bands and had a bare (if any) resemblance to hardcore.
The whole tough guy image came mostly from NYHC. And it's still the predominant image of hardcore for some reason.
I made this thread for what's considered today post-hardcore. Personally I find the term quite fitting.
exactly. so remember kids, post-hardcore is an 80's reference, not post- * 90's jock rock, pumpin weights hardcore * specifically. nor current MMA hardcore jock rock dig? ha. (there's alot of that now too .. sigh)
semantics. tsk tsk.
Re: Post-hardcore
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:13 pm
by ultraspatial
+torment+ wrote:still 80's hardcore was more fun. 90's is when all the rules came in. i wouldn't let that difference cloud over some good music regardless. but i can see yer point too.
Can't really comment on that since I wasn't around. But yeah, agree on the rules thing, specially once the vegan/sxe/PC kids got more attention.
I like those bands that I mentioned because they are not about the politics, diy ethics etc. and it's just fun. And probably that's why they get hated on by the "real" hardcore scene.
I don't really get the whole 80s true hardcore revivalism, though I think it's more about the idea than the actual music. I mean, there's a lot of GREAT classics (Black Flag and Bad Brains being two of my favourite bands ever) but hardcore around then was really contextual (more than let's say dubstep in 2005).
Re: Post-hardcore
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:15 pm
by Sexual_Chocolate
ultraspatial wrote:
Can't really comment on that since I wasn't around. But yeah, agree on the rules thing, specially once the vegan/sxe/PC kids got more attention.
that was the part i was introduced to... & most of the kids involved with that side were stnuc too.
Re: Post-hardcore
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:25 pm
by ultraspatial
Nevalo wrote:
ultraspatial wrote:
Can't really comment on that since I wasn't around. But yeah, agree on the rules thing, specially once the vegan/sxe/PC kids got more attention.
that was the part i was introduced to... & most of the kids involved with that side were stnuc too.
