Im looking to achieve something i can do on the drums but cannot achieve 'drawing' it into ableton
Im trying too create what i can only describe as a snare drag - its not quite a snare roll,more of a scrape of the stick across the drum just before the start of a bar or a fill
Anyone got any ideas on how too recreate this - far short of using a drum fill sample?
Im also aware that this is a bit of an age-old question.....
Ive been playing around with lengths,velocity,pitch and slight off timing but dont seem too get the natural effect im looking for.
Any help/insights on this would be awesome
Re: Snare fills or 'drags'
Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:07 pm
by Skrew
Record yourself dragging the stick across the snare?
Re: Snare fills or 'drags'
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:05 am
by dubesteppe
maybe if you gave us an example we could better understand
Re: Snare fills or 'drags'
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:14 am
by bassbum
I dont see how I can tell you to program something without audio.
Fined it in a song and embed a youtube link.
Re: Snare fills or 'drags'
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:17 am
by jrisreal
Skrew wrote:Record yourself dragging the stick across the snare?
Re: Snare fills or 'drags'
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:21 am
by dickman69
y no just sample
Re: Snare fills or 'drags'
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:00 am
by kejk
I usually sample some shitty marching band snare practice videos off YouTube.
Re: Snare fills or 'drags'
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:57 am
by Attila
If you find a way to do it without sampling, let me know. Getting the intricacies of those little ghost rolls from one shots would be near impossible.
Re: Snare fills or 'drags'
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:59 am
by Swelly
i think it's called a flam.
Re: Snare fills or 'drags'
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:12 am
by Attila
Nah a flam is one hit barely behind another. That's about as good as I can put it into words haha. Like ba-da except closer so it's like
ba
-da
Re: Snare fills or 'drags'
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:15 am
by Swelly
mah bad.
Re: Snare fills or 'drags'
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:17 am
by Swelly
actually, maybe you could try making various snare rolls and reverse reverb it...and use only the reverse reverb signal to get something close. just a thought, not an actual method i've tried out.
Re: Snare fills or 'drags'
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:21 am
by Hircine
a quick hi passed beat delay could work, maybe hi passing a lower velocity sample and time stretching it. ideal solution, of course, would be recording it.
edit: typo
Re: Snare fills or 'drags'
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:56 am
by Efrafa11
Attila wrote:Nah a flam is one hit barely behind another. That's about as good as I can put it into words haha. Like ba-da except closer so it's like
ba
-da
I'm not to up on drum terminology but this dude thinks there similiar?
Might help?
otherwise, snare brushes come to mind.
Re: Snare fills or 'drags'
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:56 pm
by Sharmaji
Use stuff at low velocity- vitalic, squarepusher, and Venetian snares all do drags and ruffs w that...
Re: Snare fills or 'drags'
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:06 pm
by Attila
Efrafa11 wrote:
Attila wrote:Nah a flam is one hit barely behind another. That's about as good as I can put it into words haha. Like ba-da except closer so it's like
ba
-da
I'm not to up on drum terminology but this dude thinks there similiar?
Might help?
otherwise, snare brushes come to mind.
Cheers for the video, haven't brushed up on my drum technique recently haha. I guess the main thing I was trying to get across is that a flam is two hits and drag is three or more industinguished hits (in practical terms). Like right before the drums come in on meanwhile by Koan. I usually do mine one handed too which kinda threw off my description.
Haha Jesus, explaining drum technique through words is a pain in le ass.
Re: Snare fills or 'drags'
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:58 pm
by Hircine
koan sounds uses triplets ghost snare hits inbetween 8th note hi hats in some songs, like HxxH+KICK
Re: Snare fills or 'drags'
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:39 pm
by immortal
Cheers for all the responses guys - its maintained my attitude towards this section of the forum - f*^ckin helpful!!!!
Sharmaji wrote:Use stuff at low velocity- vitalic, squarepusher, and Venetian snares all do drags and ruffs w that...
Velocity is key - its the spacing etc that im finding a bitch
Attila wrote:If you find a way to do it without sampling, let me know. Getting the intricacies of those little ghost rolls from one shots would be near impossible.
rayman612 wrote:y no just sample
Because its something ive wanted too incorporate into my productions for a while and would rather learn how than use a sample
Skrew wrote:Record yourself dragging the stick across the snare?
Drum kit is now packed neatly away and has been for quite some time - space tissues as i live on a double decker bus
Best example i can think of is here
Thanks loads again everyone - would also be a fool if i didnt point you all in the direction of a free mix for all your time spent typing http://soundcloud.com/stuff-the-brss/minimix
Re: Snare fills or 'drags'
Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:16 pm
by Kit Fysto
From what I can tell a lot of that sound comes from the snare chain gently rattling against the bottom head so maybe keep that in mind. I can imagine that slightly ambient super low velocity snare hits could achieve this. Multiple samples of low velocity hits of the same drum would be needed I'm thinking
Re: Snare fills or 'drags'
Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:33 pm
by Augment
Hircine wrote:koan sounds uses triplets ghost snare hits inbetween 8th note hi hats in some songs, like HxxH+KICK
