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Hey guys.

I'm finding it difficult to get really clean weighty drums. At the moment I'm finding layering makes everything a bit messy. Normally it's 2-3 kicks but it takes a while and the result is only marginally better so im probably doing it wrong.

Can I cut out this process by just sampling my favourite kick from a tune? I don't see the drawbacks but presumably you lose quality?

I find layering Kicks to be a bit more difficult than layering snares / claps / etc / higher frequency drum hits....

If I layer a Kick, usually it is only to add a lil bit of sine / 808 sub to give weight... but other than that, I try to find the best kick I can for the situation.

YMMV

^yup, if I layer a kick it's just an 808 underneath

You dont have to layer, only layer if the kick lacks something that you want, if it sounds fine as it is, just leave it.

Sampling a kick from a tune, I dotn see what is wrong with that, if you can get a clean cut, then whats the problem. Me personally though, I wouldnt just chief a kick from another beat.

where are you getting your samples from?

I always make my own snares but I suck at layering kick. most of the time is just a kick from a tune that I like + a vengeance kick on top of it. it's not like you are sampling a whole bassline, it's just a kick, go for it man.

if you get one of those trance kicks that is just high end and sub, and highpass it, it will fit well with another kick

If you are using Pre-Processed samples, like Vengeance, Sample Magic, Loop Masters, Prime Loops whatever it is. Layering those kicks on top of each other will give you bad results because all the samples are already fully processed, layered, compressed, EQ'ed etc. Don't just layer samples for the hell of it, only layer samples if you have an intended purpose.

Every Vengeance sample is already punch city with tons of weight in it. If your not feeling the weight from a Vengeance sample then it's your mix that's wrong or you are using the wrong sample for your mix. If your producing Dubstep, make sure your Vengeance kicks fundamental isn't below 70hz, that way you can tune it up closer to 80-100hz which is where your Dubstep kick should be hitting unless your sub bass is your kick.

Layering V samples like that is gonna give you a muddy, phased, mushy kick unless you are doing some serious EQ'ing/filtering which in my opinion, is a waste of time when you can just find a better sample suitable for your track.

tbh i find 100 hz kicks to be pretty weak...for me, 60-80 is the sweet spot

ehbrums1 wrote:tbh i find 100 hz kicks to be pretty weak...for me, 60-80 is the sweet spot

I agree, 80hz is the go to THUD freq. if producing Bro Step or Neurofunk something hard like that. Vengeance samples will get you there.

If your going Burial status however, those really poppy 100hz kicks are the way to go. Goldbaby samples are the right choice for that route.

BombsandBottles wrote:

ehbrums1 wrote:tbh i find 100 hz kicks to be pretty weak...for me, 60-80 is the sweet spot

I agree, 80hz is the go to THUD freq. if producing Bro Step or Neurofunk something hard like that. Vengeance samples will get you there.

If your going Burial status however, those really poppy 100hz kicks are the way to go. Goldbaby samples are the right choice for that route.

or just a garage sample pack like i have

ehbrums1 wrote:

BombsandBottles wrote:

ehbrums1 wrote:tbh i find 100 hz kicks to be pretty weak...for me, 60-80 is the sweet spot

I agree, 80hz is the go to THUD freq. if producing Bro Step or Neurofunk something hard like that. Vengeance samples will get you there.

If your going Burial status however, those really poppy 100hz kicks are the way to go. Goldbaby samples are the right choice for that route.

or just a garage sample pack like i have

hook a broda up

Hircine wrote:

ehbrums1 wrote:

BombsandBottles wrote:

ehbrums1 wrote:tbh i find 100 hz kicks to be pretty weak...for me, 60-80 is the sweet spot

I agree, 80hz is the go to THUD freq. if producing Bro Step or Neurofunk something hard like that. Vengeance samples will get you there.

If your going Burial status however, those really poppy 100hz kicks are the way to go. Goldbaby samples are the right choice for that route.

or just a garage sample pack like i have

hook a broda up

I'll pm it later

BombsandBottles wrote:If you are using Pre-Processed samples, like Vengeance, Sample Magic, Loop Masters, Prime Loops whatever it is. Layering those kicks on top of each other will give you bad results because all the samples are already fully processed, layered, compressed, EQ'ed etc. Don't just layer samples for the hell of it, only layer samples if you have an intended purpose.

Every Vengeance sample is already punch city with tons of weight in it. If your not feeling the weight from a Vengeance sample then it's your mix that's wrong or you are using the wrong sample for your mix. If your producing Dubstep, make sure your Vengeance kicks fundamental isn't below 70hz, that way you can tune it up closer to 80-100hz which is where your Dubstep kick should be hitting unless your sub bass is your kick.

Layering V samples like that is gonna give you a muddy, phased, mushy kick unless you are doing some serious EQ'ing/filtering which in my opinion, is a waste of time when you can just find a better sample suitable for your track.

i dont make dubstep I make (or try to make) house & techno so I'm not looking for a massive layered snare or anything. I want stuff that sits nicely in the mix as all..

BombsandBottles wrote:

ehbrums1 wrote:tbh i find 100 hz kicks to be pretty weak...for me, 60-80 is the sweet spot

I agree, 80hz is the go to THUD freq. if producing Bro Step or Neurofunk something hard like that. Vengeance samples will get you there.

If your going Burial status however, those really poppy 100hz kicks are the way to go. Goldbaby samples are the right choice for that route.

I've got the goldbaby 808s and i fucking hate them.

I've found 808s in general sound pretty wank. The only useable one just sounds like one of my speakers is popping. the 909s are amazing though.

Tell that to loefah

Perej wrote:

BombsandBottles wrote:

ehbrums1 wrote:tbh i find 100 hz kicks to be pretty weak...for me, 60-80 is the sweet spot

I agree, 80hz is the go to THUD freq. if producing Bro Step or Neurofunk something hard like that. Vengeance samples will get you there.

If your going Burial status however, those really poppy 100hz kicks are the way to go. Goldbaby samples are the right choice for that route.

I've got the goldbaby 808s and i fucking hate them.

I've found 808s in general sound pretty wank. The only useable one just sounds like one of my speakers is popping. the 909s are amazing though.

808s dont really have any punch though, except for low down, 909s are really punchy though I think and sound nice driven slightly. Try getting a higher hitting kick for some punch and then layering a goldbaby kick underneath. Take the bass out of the higher one though. Dont really know what the goldbaby ones sound like, but vengance and logic 808s are fine.

ehbrums1 wrote:Tell that to loefah

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Perej wrote:

BombsandBottles wrote:If you are using Pre-Processed samples, like Vengeance, Sample Magic, Loop Masters, Prime Loops whatever it is. Layering those kicks on top of each other will give you bad results because all the samples are already fully processed, layered, compressed, EQ'ed etc. Don't just layer samples for the hell of it, only layer samples if you have an intended purpose.

Every Vengeance sample is already punch city with tons of weight in it. If your not feeling the weight from a Vengeance sample then it's your mix that's wrong or you are using the wrong sample for your mix. If your producing Dubstep, make sure your Vengeance kicks fundamental isn't below 70hz, that way you can tune it up closer to 80-100hz which is where your Dubstep kick should be hitting unless your sub bass is your kick.

Layering V samples like that is gonna give you a muddy, phased, mushy kick unless you are doing some serious EQ'ing/filtering which in my opinion, is a waste of time when you can just find a better sample suitable for your track.

i dont make dubstep I make (or try to make) house & techno so I'm not looking for a massive layered snare or anything. I want stuff that sits nicely in the mix as all..

If you are making House/Techno then Vengeance samples should be spot on, no layering necessary unless you wanna like combine the low end of one quick drum with the high end of another via LP and HP filtering on the two different samples.

I've been told not to layer kicks unless they are highpassed and lowpassed accordingly... The same person also told me just to use one kick and make it beefy with EQ'ing.

there is no cons lol