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Analog Distortion on a Budget – Cassette Overdrive Technique

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:51 am
by wub
http://blog.dubspot.com/analog-distorti ... technique/
Introducing the cassette distortion technique: a clever way to add some analog grit and saturation to your mix using a tape deck and a 1/8th inch to cassette adapter.

“At the moment there seems to be a craving for that lofi retro sound. Everyone is trying to get rid of the clean digital output of VST’s and digital synths by adding another VST’s to their fx-chains that simulate analog gear.. or by purchasing analog gear that costs an arm and a leg. Here is a trick that costs about 10,- euros and looks way cooler than any VST!” - Riku Annala

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You may have noticed the increasing influence of analog sound that is happening in music production and recording. After decades of computer-based music, many producers are looking outside the box to find warmth and grit that a computer just can’t provide. Digital music has a tenancy to sound very clinical and even small additions of outside sounds, especially analog sounds, can bring depth and life to your music. Some producers use outboard mixers, pre-amps, or reel to reel tape to fatten up a mix. The medium of tape, in particular offers a unique (warm) sound and better dynamic range than most digital formats. But most of us don’t have a nice reel-to-reel sitting around to fatten up a mix. So as a creative work-around, I want to share a great technique that I recently learned by way of our friend Peter Kirn at Create Digital Music andRiku Annala, a producer/musician hailing from Helsinki, Finland. May I present – the cassette distortion / overdrive technique.



This is a great trick because it takes a minimal amount of gear, costs close to nothing, and provides a gritty, compressed effect that can liven up your beats. To create this effect you’ll need 1. an old cassette deck, and 2. a cassette to 1/8 inch adapter (the one that plugs your ipod into your tape deck). And some cables, of course.

To set up the effect: 1. Run the output of your source sound (drum machine, computer, etc) to the 1/8 inch end of the cassette adapter (I used 1/4 inch to 1/8 inch adapter to make this happen) and put the cassette adapter in the deck. 2. Connect the output of the tape deck to your mixer or speakers. 3. Press play on both your source and the tape deck, with plenty of volume coming from the source (the key here is to overdrive the signal a bit). 4. Enjoy your new analog compression / overdrive effect.



Now I must admit – I didn’t think this would work because I thought that the tape medium itself was the source of the sound/compression on tape recordings. But apparently this isn’t the case and the tape head itself will give character to your signal without the use of any tape at all. Recue.net’s Riku Annala explains:

“The results are actually surprisingly nice (depends on what you’re after). Of course the character of the sound completely depends on the components of the tape deck you use; the condition of the tape heads, connectors, mic pre’s etc. The sound is far from hi-fi, so if you’re after that, just go purchase a real reel-to-reel unit. In the case of Hitachi D-230 I use, there are a couple of different options for obtaining a different sound. The audio can be just played back through the tape, but it can also be fed through the line-in’s, “recorded” to the tape capturing it’s output. Both of the methods give actually quite a different sound. With the former method you can get a moderate crunch with a rather clean sound. With the latter, you get loads of more noise, but also A LOT more distortion and a nice pumping compression when pushed.”

Weekend, sorted 8)

Re: Analog Distortion on a Budget – Cassette Overdrive Techn

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:53 am
by Brothulhu
Videos wont load on my phone, is the cassette adapter one of those things you get in poundland that look like a tape connected to a headphone wire?

Re: Analog Distortion on a Budget – Cassette Overdrive Techn

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:36 pm
by wub
Yeah, never thought of using one of those before TBH.

Re: Analog Distortion on a Budget – Cassette Overdrive Techn

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:42 pm
by Brothulhu
I've got one lying about then, will have a go at it

Re: Analog Distortion on a Budget – Cassette Overdrive Techn

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:11 pm
by NinjaEdit
They're talking about an 1/8" female to 1/4" male adapter. VHS tape works as well.

I highly recommend running things through SOME kind of analogue, like an analogue mixing desk with a preamp.

Re: Analog Distortion on a Budget – Cassette Overdrive Techn

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:47 pm
by wub
At the moment I've been bouncing too tape and then resampling back in...if there is a way to close the loop as in this example, it'll save a lot of cable swapping.
jonahmann wrote:I highly recommend running things through SOME kind of analogue, like an analogue mixing desk with a preamp.
Good thread here re; driving through analogue kit (primarily mixing desks) to get some warmth;

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/electron ... rtion.html

Yamaha MG102c that gets suggested seems to be going for >140€ and doesn't take up too much space, so might be worth adding to the shopping list...

Re: Analog Distortion on a Budget – Cassette Overdrive Techn

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:03 pm
by Sharmaji
to be 100% clear, this isn't overdriving tape, this is overdriving the transistors in a tape deck.

Re: Analog Distortion on a Budget – Cassette Overdrive Techn

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:05 pm
by wub
Sharmaji wrote:to be 100% clear, this isn't overdriving tape, this is overdriving the transistors in a tape deck.
Good point.



Um...


...what's the difference though,assuming reel 2 reel tape is off the cards?

Re: Analog Distortion on a Budget – Cassette Overdrive Techn

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:44 pm
by fragments
wub wrote:At the moment I've been bouncing too tape and then resampling back in...if there is a way to close the loop as in this example, it'll save a lot of cable swapping.
jonahmann wrote:I highly recommend running things through SOME kind of analogue, like an analogue mixing desk with a preamp.
Good thread here re; driving through analogue kit (primarily mixing desks) to get some warmth;

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/electron ... rtion.html

Yamaha MG102c that gets suggested seems to be going for >140€ and doesn't take up too much space, so might be worth adding to the shopping list...
Nice one...I have that mixer. Gonna have to give this a go! I new you could overdrive on an analog mixer, I just didn't think my 99USD mixer was one of them!

Re: Analog Distortion on a Budget – Cassette Overdrive Techn

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:04 pm
by skimpi
NEED!

Bit misleading though, i was hoping to get all this gear for bare cheap lol

Re: Analog Distortion on a Budget – Cassette Overdrive Techn

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:21 pm
by mthrfnk
I used to have a tape deck like that, I got rid of it though... fuck.

Re: Analog Distortion on a Budget – Cassette Overdrive Techn

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:15 pm
by fragments
skimpi wrote:NEED!

Bit misleading though, i was hoping to get all this gear for bare cheap lol
How is a cassette deck and one of those cassette to 1/8th inch jobs not cheap?! You can get one second hand and the cassette to 1/8th can be had at a dollar store! You could do it for about 10 if you look around I'm sure! Might also need some adapters. So make it an even 15 to be safe.

Also, I've heard of people using reel to reel machines and not even bothering with tape, just driving the signal through the circuits.

Re: Analog Distortion on a Budget – Cassette Overdrive Techn

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:31 pm
by Genevieve
How expensive is it to switch to reel to reel and an analog mixer? Second hand obv.

It's the one hardware thing I wanna get into. Do most of my mixing in my DAW, bus those down to leads/effects/bas/drums into mixer, overdrive it slightly and do some last minute cleaning up after it's saturated and record the whole thing to tape.

Re: Analog Distortion on a Budget – Cassette Overdrive Techn

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:14 pm
by skimpi
fragments wrote:
skimpi wrote:NEED!

Bit misleading though, i was hoping to get all this gear for bare cheap lol
How is a cassette deck and one of those cassette to 1/8th inch jobs not cheap?! You can get one second hand and the cassette to 1/8th can be had at a dollar store! You could do it for about 10 if you look around I'm sure! Might also need some adapters. So make it an even 15 to be safe.

Also, I've heard of people using reel to reel machines and not even bothering with tape, just driving the signal through the circuits.
ahh yeah, well i mean some cassette decks go for more, but i have found a couple cheaper ones, i was more on about the whole setup though ahah, thought that drum machine was gonna be like some 30 quid deal ting, anyone know what that analog noise thing is?

Re: Analog Distortion on a Budget – Cassette Overdrive Techn

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:42 pm
by Sharmaji
fragments wrote: Also, I've heard of people using reel to reel machines and not even bothering with tape, just driving the signal through the circuits.
one trick is to put a jumper in the dolby circuit on a machine (or just an outboard dolby machine) so that it does the opposite of high-frequency noise reduction, and actually pushes the high-end forward-- classic trick for making vocals and snares really silky.

re: wub, anything that passes audio can be overdriven, with different sonic outcomes. In general, no matter what, the signal's amplitude lets limited once it hits the end of the headroom, frequency content changes, and the signal content starts becoming a square wave. When and how those happen is what's up for grabs. When tape starts to get a hot signal, the transients get rounded off, and the midrange can start to feel like it's coming forward-- sometimes at the expense of the low end and high end. thus, the sound gets "richer" (more forward mids, less dynamic range), and "darker" (less highs). not all tape and not all machines react the same way though.

fun stuff for sure! getting shit into the red is when the good sounds start to happen.

Re: Analog Distortion on a Budget – Cassette Overdrive Techn

Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:25 am
by fragments
Sharmaji wrote:getting shit into the red is when the good sounds start to happen.
:6: finding dat sweet spot!

Re: Analog Distortion on a Budget – Cassette Overdrive Techn

Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:42 pm
by paradigm_x
i picked up literally that tape deck at the tip, not sure if it works or not, was planning to use the cool VU meters etc for other things and just use as a case for something else.

edit, atually, i think its slightly different. but anyway. Really useful for parts as a minimum, and as an ecnlsoure.

Re: Analog Distortion on a Budget – Cassette Overdrive Techn

Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:53 pm
by paradigm_x
Oh and on topic, i picked up a really cheap analogue echo (no delay time control) which has 4 ins, so a mini mixer, which overdrives beautifully, and theres a real interaction between the various inputs... £30 delivered (ebay)

Re: Analog Distortion on a Budget – Cassette Overdrive Techn

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:19 am
by antipode
sickness

Re: Analog Distortion on a Budget – Cassette Overdrive Techn

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:04 pm
by chekov
would it sound better if you ran your finished mixdown through this pre-mastering or whatever or if you did each track individually?

never done anything like this before