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They exist, whether you want them to or not. If anyone tells you that they're fake, he/she is lying.

I'll start with the US Navy Vandguard TV-3:

don't bother mate. i say this from experience haha


(Arcturian)



dont focus on proving them wrong or right, focus on where you fly to at night

put focus on who flys them and not the craft it's self.



unrelated to thread but also still realated to thread ^

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d-T-r wrote:don't bother mate. i say this from experience haha


(Arcturian)



dont focus on proving them wrong or right, focus on where you fly to at night

Yes, I know what you mean. My neighbor, who is a farmer, said he saw something in the sky one day whilst planting crops and generally foraging for his family. He said he saw something in the sky, and the description he gave sounded exactly like a Vanguard TV-5 circa 1958. Now, tell me: how does an elderly, rural man see a spacecraft in midair that was scrapped and long forgotten 55 years ago?

Vanguard TV-5:

Check this out. New film coming out in April:-if you're in the U.s you will probably be able to watch it first:

SIRIUS Documentary

"The problem is not proving that Ufo's exist. It's when you begin to expose the Energy and Propulsion systems behind how they're getting here.

I also recommend checking out James Gilliand and his Eceti ranch for more current things---there have been a few hour or 2 long videos. the ones with the night-vision/green footage tend to be the best clips to see the ships powering up and doing all kinds of interesting displays.....Enlightened contact with extra-terrestrial-intelligence.

Anyone can see them if they want. Being open to the possibility is the first obstacle people face though. I have pointed them out to 'regular' people when i notice them and them i watch how their brain switches between "holy fuck" and ...."no its just as star it can't be"....." holy fuck...its not real....but wait its moving in strange ways....but no...but if "etc etc etc

Again tho, just check out what the Pleiaidans, Arcturians, Andromedans,Sirians and a few others are about if you want to start seeing them.Both ships and night time visits. They are helping behind the scenes and in front of the scenes.

just don't be shocked when people think everything you say is made up or just a funky dream you had last night. Believe it or not, they don't want people to be dumb about it. They want people to evolve and help this planet move back in to a unified harmonious civilization because the state of this planet and all of our nuclear meanderings have effects else where.

Plus they absolutely love us and this little blue planet unconditionally

Music festivals are a great place to see them cos of all the lights etc.

we live in 1 planet with our 1 solar system and 1 star (which is binary with Sirius ) in our1 galaxy, in countless trillions of galaxies

To think that other civiliastions havn't evolved billions of years before our planet was 'born' is to under estimate the universe's tendency towards supporting biological life and biological life's tendency to exponentially rise in self-aware conciousness.

d-T-r, the problem is that everything you say comes across as drug-fueled, hippy ramblings.
Not that I disagree with many of your viewpoints.
But this imo is why lots of ppl discredit the info.
So many of the msgs get ignored because of the messenger.

If you get my drift.

Electric_Head wrote:d-T-r, the problem is that everything you say comes across as drug-fueled, hippy ramblings.
Not that I disagree with many of your viewpoints.
But this imo is why lots of ppl discredit the info.
So many of the msgs get ignored because of the messenger.

If you get my drift.

I understand that. i don't need to convince anyone of 'my' truth any longer.

there is a science to enlightenment ,evolution and the other planes and dimensions of existence and no one is exempt. I have slight grasps on some science stuff, but of course people are always gonna go " yehhh but u cant explain Supersymmetry + string theory well enough so not listening etc. So by the process of elimination, you must be a hippy."....Which is why my projects for 2013 involve working with some science heads , incorporating the science i aim to increase my understanding of , but in a visually coherent way that is easy to communicate.

(for people who are more receptive to right brained hemisphere communication and people who are more responsive to left....and those who already have ahealthy equidistant pivot between the two

Majority of science can be demonstrated visually and not just in formula format so i'm gonna go down that route and see where it leads As i'm sure you can relate, a lot of things are sometimes easier seen than spoke of.

I am working on learning as much as i can so i can communicate these things to your every day person if need be without coming across with the stereotypes mentioned above.

As mentioned last year,

The astral plane is the easiest way for people to test their perceptions of what is real and what is not. not telling you what is real or not just an open invitation to investigate possibilities but more importantly , Probabilities.

I don't ask for my thoughts to be proved right anyway or care either any more. "truth has no agenda". I'm willing to admit that sometimes i learn things i find out to be true,and later false, yet sometimes i find things out to be true and they remain that way or develop in to new understanding experiences etc

link for back on topic tho: i hope it gives people an itchy-trigger-finger reaction as usual

UFOs Deactivate Nuclear Missiles Around The World

http://www.collective-evolution.com/201 ... the-world/

Electric_Head wrote:d-T-r, the problem is that everything you say comes across as drug-fueled, hippy ramblings.
Not that I disagree with many of your viewpoints.
But this imo is why lots of ppl discredit the info.
So many of the msgs get ignored because of the messenger.

If you get my drift.

This is so true. So many times I have watched videos of people talking about such things and I have fully wanted to believe what they are saying but have been held back due to them sporting socks with sandals.

if only we could dissolve discriminative assumptions and stereotypes eh. looks can be deceiving and words can be partial and out of context etc

Shame everything has to be pigeon holed and labeled before looked at but i understand why we do it.

(saying that, i agree, a lot of people do give this kind of thing a bit of a bad image/attittude etc)

lets move beyond that.

d-T-r wrote:if only we could dissolve discriminative assumptions and stereotypes eh. looks can be deceiving and words can be partial and out of context etc

Shame everything has to be pigeon holed and labeled before looked at but i understand why we do it.

I think things have to be pigeon-holed and labelled because these claims/discussions are often scientific in nature and anyone who goes into any detail about this sort of subject tends to use fairly scientific language to do so.. Science is about categories, lists, order, method and systems.

"The problem is not proving that Ufo's exist. It's when you begin to expose the Energy and Propulsion systems behind how they're getting here.

Why should anyone want to discuss a subject like this without proof being provided first? Why discuss how something arrived somewhere if you have no empirical proof this thing exists in the first place? This is the same as your first point, surely, and grossly unscientific?
Also, who is exposing the tech behind these claims, and what are the results?
Not being a tw@, genuinely asking..

empiricism vs trans-rationalism is where the circular debate always stays. I don't follow the technology stuff or the ufo/exopolitics scene. That sirius film above may be of use when it comes out...but will probably be like most and start good and then end on some psuedo-meta-physical stuff.I just know what i experience and who visits me on astral and etheric plane but of course i cant measure the astral for you.

Thoughts on the possibility of a trans-rational state? Things that do already exists but we don't how to measure or quantify or understand yet? " the irrationality of rationality "

“Modern Materialism has been a destructive ideological force hidden in the Trojan horse of Orthodox science. Scientific orthodoxy and the materialist world view propose the natural world and conciousness as the result of a series of accidents and conciousness as a by-product of the brain.

Altered states are conciousness are consider pathological and primary focus is placed on manipulations of the phenomenal world. An attitude of materialism shuts off a persons intuition by which the spiritual world is apprehended , because spirituality is labelled as a delusional belief or dangerous hallucination

By confining it's self to what can be measured with instruments, the materialist point of view becomes a metaphysical flatland allowing no subjective insight in to why we are here.

Humanity has developed to it's current state of complex rationality because of the refinement of language. Considering conciousness as an evolutionary force may imply that there are higher states of conciousness beyond reason, Trans-rational states. According to the transpersonal vision, conciousness is central to understanding the nature of reality , and not merely a 'by-product of brain activity' as proposed by the materialist-impricisist paradigm.

If language was the necessary mind-tool needed to develop reasoning intelligence, what mind tool is needed to develop beyond reason?

The conceptual mind constructs a coded world of meaning by assigning names (language/definition) to things and comparing them, the everyday functioning of civilizations is completely dependant on the powers of the conceptual mind and it's coded world. The downside is that creating a world of isolated distinct objects, the conceptual mind creates a mental trap of limits and opposites, distinguishing our isolated self from everything else. The conceptual insight mind creates a seductively logical prison of worlds that only spiritual insight (trans-rational/transcendental insight) can cure.

The mystical perspective reveals that we and the world are so profoundly integrated that neither we nor any other thing is truly isolatable. No thing arises independently of the entire web of creation.”

-Alex grey


Can all things be measured by instrument? Even those we have yet to discover? does something we don't know about exist before we know about it or does it only come in to existence once we have noticed it and assigned an empirical value? What about the stuff that 100% already existed 1000 years ago but we only discovered in the last 200 years? Did any of it exist before we could define it. Could it be possible that there are things we are yet to know, but are finding out and so will eventually be able to measure?

It's an interesting topic. I assume you consume something to assist with your accessing of these states, how can you be sure your experiences are external, and not a result of your almost infinite imagination creating something for you? Or does this not matter (to you, anyway)?

I understand that I could be seen to be 'missing the point' asking that, but an external experience ,shared by more than 1 is, to me, far more important than even the most profound event only experienced by 1 person. But I have met many who would argue that none of this matters, if you experience ANYTHING in your mind, it happened in your universe and it doesn't matter whether or not it could be described as objective or subjective, it happened. I don't agree but I understand the principle..

ok, just watched James Gilliand, wasn't too surprised to hear he runs a spiritual retreat but it makes me ask the same questions

Do you think you are actually seeing these things (with your eyes)?
If not, do you think the experience is happening physically or not?
If not, do you think the event is taking place externally (but on another plane/dimension) or internally, in your head?
Does it matter to you?

I am very open minded but also really rational. I do not doubt you experience something but I find it fascinating to understand it having not had such an experience myself. I have had out of body and other such lucid mental experiences but I know what they are, and I know what reality is, and (most often) how big the gap between those things is. If I see a pyramid shaped UFO during one of these experiences my brain can remind me that I have only seen such things in similar circumstances and that the likely hood of the event being 'real' is slim.
Or would you be of the opinion that what we experience day to day is less real than these experiences?

SO MANY QUESTIONS

lloydnoise wrote: Do you think you are actually seeing these things (with your eyes)?
If not, do you think the experience is happening physically or not?
If not, do you think the event is taking place externally (but on another plane/dimension) or internally, in your head?
Does it matter to you?

I am very open minded but also really rational. I do not doubt you experience something but I find it fascinating to understand it having not had such an experience myself. I have had out of body and other such lucid mental experiences but I know what they are, and I know what reality is, and (most often) how big the gap between those things is. If I see a pyramid shaped UFO during one of these experiences my brain can remind me that I have only seen such things in similar circumstances and that the likely hood of the event being 'real' is slim.
Or would you be of the opinion that what we experience day to day is less real than these experiences?

SO MANY QUESTIONS

Just as we cannot talk of visual beauty if we are blind, so we cannot discus inner spiritual beauty we have never received it – Plontinus

t is somewhat presumptuous to disdain or condemn as fake, that which does not appear likely

." - Montaigne

No i do not need to take anything. Astral and etheric experiences have been documented and explored for a very long long time across virtually all continents. there is a distinct difference between a lucid experience and an astral experience and various types and layers of perception attainable when either state. various methods.

i see visual representations of the physical, yet i know they are not physical. like a holographic projection of all involved, yet at the same time 3rd dimensional in the way they move. spirit/ghost/ether or the 'Ka' in the egyptian concept of the soul.

Sometimes i am within a projected environment , and sometimes i am in my room , completely sober, with very perceptible spirits. Some just curious, some helpful. It more often than not feels like i'm just in their space as apposed to me actually trying to visit them. But recently they have all been very nice. I've been doing lucid/astral stuff long enough and have had to question everything 900 times over to be able to tell if a character is my own creation or something that is 'other' than me. Yet i don't claim to be an expert and i'm stil trying to learn the actual navigation side of things which is difficult.

We both know there is no true separation from the internal and external world. As all external light is processed internally etc we know that higher dimensions are dependable on the lower dimensions and that no dimension or plane arises independently etc

In october i had it continually. astral spirits- was waking up with the name of islands from fi-ji and specfic parts of the amazon river, and all kinds of random information that was way too culture-specific for me to have sub consciously heard about it.

Some of it helps me, some of it does not. just collective information accessible through the archetypal language of dreams and visuals. I have learnt to distinguish between sub-concious projections and actual interactions.

Again, if there is anything that ANY person can check the validity of them selves , it is the Astral plane.

You talk in terms of likelihood (aka probability ) , but what is the likely hood of life existing on this planet? Pretty slim... but it happened. what is the likelihood of a species developing self awareness and colonizing a planet ? Pretty slim but it happened.

I do understand the difference between subjective truth and the dissolving of subjective truth in to a more conceivable objective whole etc

AS for the earlier question of does it matter, that could be applied to anything and everything. Hence why we are here--we only act upon the circumstances we are within etc

In 'my' perception, you are not a separate person to me. seperated by space maybe, but i see the universe as a single organism, that becomes increasingly self aware.

But yeah, this is all ultimately just my opinions still, and i don't claim to be in any kind of higher state of being than anyone else. A scientist can measure reality but can never tell you 'Why" it is so.I dont really buy the whole empiricist view that we are just clever monkeys. and if we are , i think we're moving way beyond that.


books for astral tips:

Tibetan Yogas of dream and sleep,
Toltec Dreaming

I was told that I am an Arcturian in a dream a long time ago. I had never heard of that word before.

Weird dream?

mks wrote:I was told that I am an Arcturian in a dream a long time ago. I had never heard of that word before.

Weird dream?

anyone else's thoughts on this? 2 mentions of Arcturians in the same thread


Last night for me: spoken to in a very different langauage /dialect by unknown looking beings and asked to repeat it. Very strange dialect but i managed to repeat a short sentence about 4 or 5 times and i was happy i could remember a new and hard to pronounce foreign sentence and they seemed happy i could do it to. But i can't recall it but i know it's in there for later(sub-concious) ....will work on bringing that back into my waking conciousness.

I have had it before and was told "Shul un Ka" (phonetically ) In an oriental sounding voice with a previous introduction as a mantra /phrase to repeat when i was under psychic/astral attack from lower astral entites and recently deceased spirits in october who had psychological issues/blockages. Tried to find translation but it could be any number of dialects from across the whole of Asia to be honest.Plus the spelling is probably wrong. This also happened hours before i had even gone to sleep so was fully concious and sober and just laying in bed in a whirling swirling room of purple light.

The only reason I put a lot of emphasis on astral stuff because its the most legit path to access information otherwise un accessible to us. Something anyone can do and not a wild claim.

Think of right now as the online internet , and the Astral and higher planes, as anothet kind of equally online internet with the earth's history and other unseen sentinel beings browsing on line, open for a chat /encounter.

Affirm to the yourself that your dreams and night time experiences will be beneficial to you and your life and soon enough, that happens ask for it to be benefical to the world with genuine altruism and it will speed up. Before you do this, aim to Clear any and all sub-concious blockages first (reason for any fucked up dreams,reccuring patterns,scnearios etc) don't let your sleep be psychological background noise...Fine tune it in the way you want it.

Affirm the above daily though and believe it it. Along with the conciousness checks to boost up your self-awareness when in any dream/astral state. Why just watch your dreams when you can actively participate ,and ask characters information as if they are google and see the surprise at the accuracy of their answers once you transcend from the lucid to astral wave-lengths and beyond.