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Does panning in massive do the same thing as stereo widening plugins? 'cuz I saw a lot of people using those stereo widener plugins and I have trouble founding good ones.

http://www.fluxhome.com/products/freewares/stereotool
this one does the job i think dunno

BudSpencertron wrote:http://www.fluxhome.com/products/freewares/stereotool
this one does the job i think dunno

Downloading it right naow. Also paning doesn't do the same trick?

hm yeah i think there is an expander or how its called in massive that like the stereo widener. something with very short delay times or sth and the ear thinks its stereo. but you still could use an extern stereo widener if you want to have sth else more in the sides

BudSpencertron wrote:hm yeah i think there is an expander or how its called in massive that like the stereo widener. something with very short delay times or sth and the ear thinks its stereo. but you still could use an extern stereo widener if you want to have sth else more in the sides

Thanks for the plugin. It's great.

no problem :3

Xfer makes a standalone version of dimension expander in massive. Waves S1 is great as well

Waves is the way to go, I always use their stuff.

I don't know if all stereo widening plugins do this, but one effect I used when turned all the way up would invert the phase on one side. So no, it's not the same as just panning a sound.

Just a heads up, don't over do the stereo image wideners, this may be informative something I knocked up about stereo image an mono compatibility.

http://resoundsound.com/mono-compatibility/

cheers

SafeandSound

safeandsound wrote:Just a heads up, don't over do the stereo image wideners, this may be informative something I knocked up about stereo image an mono compatibility.

http://resoundsound.com/mono-compatibility/

cheers

SafeandSound

That text just confused the shit out of me.
Is my track mono at the start until I apply panning and/or stereo widening?
And what is the difference between mono and stereo devices? (I have a big mono amp)

Icetickle wrote:

safeandsound wrote:Just a heads up, don't over do the stereo image wideners, this may be informative something I knocked up about stereo image an mono compatibility.

http://resoundsound.com/mono-compatibility/

cheers

SafeandSound

That text just confused the shit out of me.
Is my track mono at the start until I apply panning and/or stereo widening?
And what is the difference between mono and stereo devices? (I have a big mono amp)

Depends on the source. Some samples / synths already start as stereo sounds, others start as mono and then like you said can have stereo fx applied to create a wider, stereo sound. Panning a mono sound can be a useful tool but it is still a mono sound.

And for the last question:-

Mono amp = Only able to output 1 signal, so if you send a stereo mix to it then it will most likely sum the L + R together and output the same sound to both speakers.
Stereo Amp = Will output both L + R signals independant of each other. (Left speaker will get the left signal, Right speaker will get the right signal)

Getting a 'wide mix' depends on a few things. Really, using a stereo widener wont do a whole lot. If you apply to much of it, you'll notice warping. You need to just pan your instruments intelligently.

If you want a single instrument to sound wide then you should try frequency splitting and panning/spreading that. There are some great videos of frequency splitting on YouTube. Or, if you have the FabFilter Pro-Q, that has a built in option to split your EQ into stereo field. So you can boost frequencies more on one side etc.

That text just confused the shit out of me.
Is my track mono at the start until I apply panning and/or stereo widening?
And what is the difference between mono and stereo devices? (I have a big mono amp)

I do not wish to appear condescending but audio engineering is a skill and there is a lot to learn, it's not for everybody.

It explains something highly technical as easily as possible. It takes the best part of 10 years to grasp such concepts and put them into practice properly. It is why there is rarely a top level mix engineer under the age of 40. If you ask about what confused you I will respond.

I think the concepts of mono and stereo are actually hard to grasp for some. It is easy to get mixed up with
dual mono and stereo, both can be contained within a stereo interleaved file. One has zero spatial information the other does.

Just because something is a little complex to understand does not mean it does not exist or have significant bearing on the work you do.
In much the same way that concepts that you have never heard or seen still exist irrelevant to whether you know about them or not.

If your amp is mono you are either listening to one side of a stereo image or L+R channels summed, in any event it is mono monitoring but the monitored signal is different (i.e L only or R only or L+R summed). Regarding your track being mono or stereo, that is entirely dependent on your sound sources. If they have stereo information (and lets assume synths and drum samples) they are probably "pseudo stereo". Again this assumes stereo tracks routed to stereo bus with balance control centralized.

Sure it's complex, thats why people make a career out of it.

cheers

SafeandSound Mastering
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