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hey guys this is my first post here, ive been looking around this forum for about 2 years now, n finally ive decided to make my first post!

so anyways im wondering how does he make the sounds at 0:37 and 0:44 sound so wide?? ive tried using simple delay n a stereo widner and im not gettin the results i want. it sounds like hes using a phaser?Soundcloud

make sure you have more than 1 voices in unison on the voicing tab in NI massive, then fuck with the pan position. THEN add those effects if it's not wide enough. You could also try using a REALLY fast tremolo, but that wouldn't give you an even sound, just sort of a cool really wide sound effect

PillowFight wrote:make sure you have more than 1 voices in unison on the voicing tab in NI massive, then fuck with the pan position. THEN add those effects if it's not wide enough. You could also try using a REALLY fast tremolo, but that wouldn't give you an even sound, just sort of a cool really wide sound effect

ill try out the tremolo, i already use at least 2 voices n the pan position as well. im thinking this has to do more with using chorus u know any good vsts by chance?

for some reason im following Getter on fb and he posted this tut the other day... not a fantastic sound or anything but he goes over the voices and pan position briefly at the end...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... 5YKcw9fmSM

not really anything new or out of the ordinary. just be careful that you dont spread your sound too much and loose power in the middle.

the chorus in massive is ok for this if used in super-sparingly. like 5% on the dry/wet. the whole firepower crew (datsik, getter, prototype, AFK, etc) mostly use massive for 90% of their entire sounds so im sure whatever you got inside the synth will cover most your basses. just be aware that over-applying these fx will take some power from the low end

To be honest, the sound itself doesn't have much mid/upper mid presence anyways...I feel like dimension expander, pan position, some pitch cutoff under unisono spread to start. Then use notch filters/eq, short delays/filter delays, stereo widening...These tools WILL get you that sound. In fact all of it is near overkill on the freq spectrum anyways, so as will all things, subtle changes my friend. I think a bigger part of the sound that we're not focusing on here is the absence of a lot of mid freq content. I watched a video a bit back when I was first starting out, wherein the guy cut a significant chunk out of the 400-1.2k range PRIOR to using the widening FX. He utilized it on an arp pad, in the context of atmosphere, and it really pushed that shit wide and out.

Cheers.

Toolman4 wrote:To be honest, the sound itself doesn't have much mid/upper mid presence anyways...I feel like dimension expander, pan position, some pitch cutoff under unisono spread to start. Then use notch filters/eq, short delays/filter delays, stereo widening...These tools WILL get you that sound. In fact all of it is near overkill on the freq spectrum anyways, so as will all things, subtle changes my friend. I think a bigger part of the sound that we're not focusing on here is the absence of a lot of mid freq content. I watched a video a bit back when I was first starting out, wherein the guy cut a significant chunk out of the 400-1.2k range PRIOR to using the widening FX. He utilized it on an arp pad, in the context of atmosphere, and it really pushed that shit wide and out.

Cheers.

sounds good to me! gonna try it out thanks!

EDIT: would using an mid side eq help on taking out the chunk out the mids?

ColeTrain wrote:

Toolman4 wrote:To be honest, the sound itself doesn't have much mid/upper mid presence anyways...I feel like dimension expander, pan position, some pitch cutoff under unisono spread to start. Then use notch filters/eq, short delays/filter delays, stereo widening...These tools WILL get you that sound. In fact all of it is near overkill on the freq spectrum anyways, so as will all things, subtle changes my friend. I think a bigger part of the sound that we're not focusing on here is the absence of a lot of mid freq content. I watched a video a bit back when I was first starting out, wherein the guy cut a significant chunk out of the 400-1.2k range PRIOR to using the widening FX. He utilized it on an arp pad, in the context of atmosphere, and it really pushed that shit wide and out.

Cheers.

sounds good to me! gonna try it out thanks!

EDIT: would using an mid side eq help on taking out the chunk out the mids?

He means mids as in middle of the frequency spectrum not middle of the panorama Just eq/notch filter the mids.

You guys are overcomplicating this. Just take one of the stereo channels, and invert its phase. Bam, super stereo sound.

ColeTrain wrote:hey guys this is my first post here, ive been looking around this forum for about 2 years now, n finally ive decided to make my first post!

so anyways im wondering how does he make the sounds at 0:37 and 0:44 sound so wide?? ive tried using simple delay n a stereo widner and im not gettin the results i want. it sounds like hes using a phaser?Soundcloud

layering and a tiny bit of delay , make shure your panning it good like the delay to the left and the audio to the right tricking the mind to think its wider or do what the guy said above me

This might not be relevant or applicable -- for at least some time -- but some guys found a way to simulate 11.1 surround sound on FREAKING HEADPHONES!

Hz demoed it ahead of the Man of Steel premiere, and he said he was considering using it in the Bluray version of the movie.

Anyway, they created a sonic map of his studio, and "mapped" his head to the "stereo field," or something like that, so we can experience the music, the way he does, in his home studio -- it's just a wet dream really.

It's kinda vague, but read this a couple days ago, and I have poor memory -- the years of smoking, hasn't been good to me. Just do a Google search, if interested.

GenericNameHere wrote:This might not be relevant or applicable -- for at least some time -- but some guys found a way to simulate 11.1 surround sound on FREAKING HEADPHONES!

Hz demoed it ahead of the Man of Steel premiere, and he said he was considering using it in the Bluray version of the movie.

Anyway, they created a sonic map of his studio, and "mapped" his head to the "stereo field," or something like that, so we can experience the music, the way he does, in his home studio -- it's just a wet dream really.

It's kinda vague, but read this a couple days ago, and I have poor memory -- the years of smoking, hasn't been good to me. Just do a Google search, if interested.

This just sounds like binaural recording... But applied to a wider field. Binaural stuff really doesn't translate well in music tracks - I've layered in binaural samples before and unless they're prominent and you use headphones to listen back you may as well have just used a normal stereo recording.

mthrfnk wrote:

GenericNameHere wrote:This might not be relevant or applicable -- for at least some time -- but some guys found a way to simulate 11.1 surround sound on FREAKING HEADPHONES!

Hz demoed it ahead of the Man of Steel premiere, and he said he was considering using it in the Bluray version of the movie.

Anyway, they created a sonic map of his studio, and "mapped" his head to the "stereo field," or something like that, so we can experience the music, the way he does, in his home studio -- it's just a wet dream really.

It's kinda vague, but read this a couple days ago, and I have poor memory -- the years of smoking, hasn't been good to me. Just do a Google search, if interested.

This just sounds like binaural recording... But applied to a wider field. Binaural stuff really doesn't translate well in music tracks - I've layered in binaural samples before and unless they're prominent and you use headphones to listen back you may as well have just used a normal stereo recording.

I tried the app a few days ago, believe it's called Z+ or something, didnt really blow my mind tbh. Cool idea tho, but there's nothing like real surround

If you use massive, turn the Dry/Wet on Dimension Expander to almost max. and turn the Size all the way down. Makes it nice and wideeee