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Punk was gestated in an environment of social unrest, young people with no job prospects, recession.

Social media has replaced the photocopier as a driving force behind promotion of events.

Ultimately both helmed by a core of rich kids playing at downtrodden.

Both started off well but have since been diluted by bandwagon jumpers to the point where they're a mainstream homogenised parody of their original works.

Which reputable online journal did you take that from?
pitchfork?

southstar wrote:Which reputable online journal did you take that from?
pitchfork?

Nope, born from my own mind.

and the current trend for eyecatching 'wavy garmz' and high priced street wear could be argued as a dandyism movement in response to these otherwise repressed recession time. discuss.

RKM wrote:and the current trend for eyecatching 'wavy garmz' and high priced street wear could be argued as a dandyism movement in response to these otherwise repressed recession time. discuss.

Further evidence, good point.

What was the punk equivalent of agent 47?

new wave

southstar wrote:What was the punk equivalent of agent 47?

Worrying how long this obvious comparison has been sat gazing at me, unnoticed. The social media aspect is the most telling, I guess. The photocopier revolution has been overtaken with direct advertising to 'friends' and 'followers'. And of course, the record labels themselves. Punk wasn't driven by a revolution in manufacturing their output, but reducing the quality of the input.

With digital labels, that has been further re appropriated for the masses. A decent internet connection is all that is required. I wonder how long before the technocratic equilibrium shifts further and we have the first label run entirely from a portable platform. Uploads and mailouts and presence handled by a single handheld device. Entirely feasible with what's available, assuming it's not taking place already somewhere. Though I imagine the FactLR8Forks of this world would have let us know about it already if such a thing existed.

…that's not punk rock.

Punk rock is sitting on the ground in front of a pizza parlor,
waiting to grab a fresh crust out of the trash.


The internet is fully bourgeoisie...

Why deep house over any other electronic genre, other than the fact that you're trying to bait people into some angry response?

garethom wrote:Why deep house over any other electronic genre

External conditions in which deep house came to the fore are more aligned with Punk than other examples.

garethom wrote:other than the fact that you're trying to bait people into some angry response?

Honestly, I'm not.

wub wrote:

RKM wrote:and the current trend for eyecatching 'wavy garmz' and high priced street wear could be argued as a dandyism movement in response to these otherwise repressed recession time. discuss.

Further evidence, good point.

Right, yeah, because everyone went out of their way to look like shit in between. Especially in garage.

Im no expert on this, how did social unrest shape deep house in any way?

Or are you on the troll..?

techno is more punk imo

i gotta disagree though on the conclusion though i like your parallels,
punk was an explosion more of a way of thought to go against the norm, encouraging alternative way of thought in music and fashion not defined by three chord sex pistol music and safety pins and leather (although these would come to define the scenes obviously), for examply black flag going against the punks by growing their hair and slowing down the music, thus becoming more "punk"

the current deep house scene has to be one of the most populist, radio humping and conformist ever yet seen, gigs in legally sanctioned warehouses with noise limits and a thousand bouncers and a strict 6am finish, 4x4 beats with a melody that you can play in the workplace, you could argue the drug taking is a key part of the scene and antiauthority but this occurrs in a strictly friday/saturday, weekend warriors fashion that still allows the headz to fulfill a full working week as a productive member of society

(tldr i am trying to avoid revising today)

I'm going to expand on my cornlol.

Plenty of music scenes have been born out of recession and downtrodden areas of society, in fact maybe even the majority of musical movements in the 20th Century were - rave, house, dub, ragtime, hiphop, punk, country, folk, blues... but not many made a point of keeping themselves aligned to some sort of political ideal. Punk did and still does even if it's become known enough to have developed a "Pop" side. Deep House is about as apolitical a genre as I can imagine... Punk may have strayed to various degrees from its worthy roots, but even in 2014 there are people making truly Punk music under the Punk umbrella. Pussy Riot are a punk band.

Deep House is more like this generation's equivalent of New Romanticism, Electroswing or Rockabilly or something... a shallow niche within a larger niche for people who absolutely must regard themselves as 'alternative' at all costs, but it's really just this generation's refresh of House music... every generation since the early 80s has put their own stamp on House music.

Yeah. No.

Drum & Bass is more punk imo.

jesslem wrote:

wub wrote:

RKM wrote:and the current trend for eyecatching 'wavy garmz' and high priced street wear could be argued as a dandyism movement in response to these otherwise repressed recession time. discuss.

Further evidence, good point.

Right, yeah, because everyone went out of their way to look like shit in between. Especially in garage.

I'm sure it's not coincidence they sell anarchy symbol t-shirts in TopMan.

southstar wrote:Im no expert on this, how did social unrest shape deep house in any way?

As an outlet. Youth requires an outlet, a method of enjoying themselves. Deep House has taken a few awkward steps towards rave culture, then let the commercial sensibilities rush over it. Ease of media use (as previously stated) has helped drive it forward more than any pirate radio party hotline could.

southstar wrote:Or are you on the troll..?

Nope, not on the troll.