sampling

jason burns · Post by **jason burns** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:42 pm

just c good quote i found on wikipedia about sampling.

"It’s pretty much impossible to clear samples now [in 2005]. We had to stay away from samples as much as possible. The ones that we did use were just absolutely integral to the feeling or rhythm of the song. But, back [on Odelay] it was basically me writing chord changes and melodies and stuff, and then endless records being scratched and little sounds coming off the turntable. Now it’s prohibitively difficult and expensive to justify your one weird little horn blare that happens for half of a second one time in a song and makes you give away 70 percent of the song and $50,000. That’s where sampling has gone, and that’s why hip-hop sounds the way it does now." —Beck

osk · Post by **osk** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:43 pm

interesting.

whineo · Post by **whineo** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:53 pm

Beck is a great producer - such a shame that people only tend to mention Odelay or Loser alot of the time, despite the fact that they were brilliant

misk · Post by **misk** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:03 pm

wow, thats really kinda sad.

twatty vagitis · Post by **twatty vagitis** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:20 pm

if you sample from a tune, change it a bit, add fx an shit so its not like the original, who would know?

its not like someone comes round ur studio everytime you release a track and looks at every single sample/sound used for that track is it.
or is it?

i can understand when sampling large chunks of tunes you should get permission from the orignal producer/artist/composer. but for a horn sound? or a drum hit? fuk off. and for them to then charge u grands just to use it. rediculas

osk · Post by **osk** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:30 pm

I guess it applies far more for music reaching a wider audience and thus generating more money.

two oh one · Post by **two oh one** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 7:24 pm

Grrrr, bloody sample monkeys. Make your own sodding sounds. It's very rewarding and you learn a heck of a lot.

roqqert · Post by **roqqert** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:28 am

just try to get some old obscure vinyl stuff and itll never notice or just be creative with the samples.. or make better deals with the artists then get caught by the sample clearence law..

twatty vagitis · Post by **twatty vagitis** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:54 pm

two oh one wrote:Grrrr, bloody sample monkeys. Make your own sodding sounds. It's very rewarding and you learn a heck of a lot.

read my post here:

http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=29412

to see what i think of that

jolly wailer · Post by **jolly wailer** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:10 pm

alot of the time the point of sampling, particularly in hip-hop (which the quote is referencing) isn't to take a familiar sample and squash it to all hell so that it sounds unrecognizable - I never understood why people are so adherent to that mindset "oh just add a bunch of FX and no-one will ever know"... the point of sampling is sometimes because you actually like the way the sample sounds on its own and you want that texture in your tune and you want people to hear that and be like "oh shit! that's the horn break from 'the payback'! I can't believe so-and-so flipped it like that" --- part of the appeal of samples is the recognizability --- if it wasn't people wouldn't lift the samples they do in the first place and you would just have a shit ton of music comprised of garbled found sounds and mutated bullshit...

I trust you lot can see where I'm coming from - its just not so binary where there's only two sides, which seems to be the prevailing argument in this thread - as in... 1) samples are completely unoriginal and you should just be making your own sounds... or 2) samples are ok, but you better be adding FX and resampling to the point where no one would be able to tell if it was a sample or not (in which case why bother sampling in the first place then?)

I understand that clearance laws don't provide for this kind of musical technique anymore --- but trust that hip-hop's golden era material sounds the way it does, and is so fucking banging because the producers did not take their samples and mussed the fuck out of them with FX as some of the folks in this thread are advising...

two oh one · Post by **two oh one** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:19 pm

twatty vagitis wrote:
two oh one wrote:Grrrr, bloody sample monkeys. Make your own sodding sounds. It's very rewarding and you learn a heck of a lot.
read my post here:

http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=29412

to see what i think of that

Two unrelated subjects...

twatty vagitis · Post by **twatty vagitis** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:37 pm

two oh one wrote:
twatty vagitis wrote:
two oh one wrote:Grrrr, bloody sample monkeys. Make your own sodding sounds. It's very rewarding and you learn a heck of a lot.
read my post here:

http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=29412

to see what i think of that

Two unrelated subjects...

you say pretty much the same thing in both topics

but whatever bruv, i notice how u aint replied to what i wrote, its hard to justify summin when u know ur wrong aint it

two oh one · Post by **two oh one** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:54 pm

twatty vagitis wrote:
two oh one wrote:
twatty vagitis wrote:
two oh one wrote:Grrrr, bloody sample monkeys. Make your own sodding sounds. It's very rewarding and you learn a heck of a lot.
read my post here:

http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=29412

to see what i think of that

Two unrelated subjects...

you say pretty much the same thing in both topics

but whatever bruv, i notice how u aint replied to what i wrote, its hard to justify summin when u know ur wrong aint it

I don't know. It's hard responding to somebody who doesn't even post tracks to back their mouth up, but instead generally comes across as an aggressive illiterate.

twatty vagitis · Post by **twatty vagitis** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:22 pm

two oh one wrote:I don't know. It's hard responding to somebody who doesn't even post tracks to back their mouth up, but instead generally comes across as an aggressive illiterate.

I don't need to post tracks up to prove myself to you or anyone else for that matter.

And I am naturally an aggressive tnuc, I'm seeing someone about it but it's a slow process.

I'm not illiterate, I just can't be arsed sometimes.

two oh one · Post by **two oh one** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:41 pm

twatty vagitis wrote:
two oh one wrote:I don't know. It's hard responding to somebody who doesn't even post tracks to back their mouth up, but instead generally comes across as an aggressive illiterate.

I don't need to post tracks up to prove myself to you or anyone else for that matter.

And I am naturally an aggressive tnuc, I'm seeing someone about it but it's a slow process.

I'm not illiterate, I just can't be arsed sometimes.

Ah, I can now see that you're a reasonable gent who can converse properly when you like. Cheers.

Some tracks from you would be nice. I remember in the early days when you came here, you were hinting that you had some kind of production experience, so you must understand people and their skepticism if we haven't heard as much as blip from you.

thesynthesist · Post by **thesynthesist** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:18 pm

The thing I love about this forum (and dubstep) is that not only do we all display our psychoses' but we also provide mental support for each other, when we do!

two oh one · Post by **two oh one** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:19 pm

That's because we're all reasonable people. Apart from me.

Hug me.

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 12:15 am

two oh one wrote: Some tracks from you would be nice. I remember in the early days when you came here, you were hinting that you had some kind of production experience, so you must understand people and their skepticism if we haven't heard as much as blip from you.

Hang on, you want his tunes to convince you of the value of sampling as a creative process? Does that mean the collected works of Dr Dre, Prince Paul, Shut Up And Dance, 4 Hero, Dan The Automator, RZA, 2 Bad Mice, Foul Play, The Orb, Photek, DJ Shadow, Eric B, Source Direct, Luke Vibert, El-B and Afrika Bambata (to pick a few at random) aren't enough to convince you?

two oh one · Post by **two oh one** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 12:31 am

twatty vagitis · Post by **twatty vagitis** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 1:00 am

did i hint i was an experienced producer? dont remember that tbh

but then, i barely remember what happened last month sooo...

either way, sorry for the name callin, i get wound up easily...

wiv a name like twatty vagitis, did u really expect anythin different?

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