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Got a question about gain staging and leavin faders at unity
Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:51 pm
by H-Conscious
What's up guys. I decided to join after reading the money shot thread and seeing how great this place was for info.
I know Macc has stressed getting your levels right at the source, so lately I've been adjusting everything before it hits the faders. The one thing I'm confused about is if setting those levels is more of a rough estimate. Then when you are working on the track if something needs to be adjusted you use the faders. Ideally you get the levels right at the source, but lets be honest as an amateur there's no way I'm gonna be able to nail that first shot.
I'm probably over thinking this, but I over think most things in my life. That thread was a wealth of information and I'm just trying to make sure I'm getting all this right so my mixes improve.
Re: Got a question about gain staging and leavin faders at u
Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 8:18 pm
by fragments
I always turn things down before they hit the faders. I think its good practice. Personally I get better results staying well away from 0db on the master.
Re: Got a question about gain staging and leavin faders at u
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 5:20 am
by legend4ry
All it means is that the resolution of the faders gets lower as the fader goes down.
You'll be able to make less intricate changes if the fade is only as 1/4th of the way from the bottom rather than at unity.
Re: Got a question about gain staging and leavin faders at u
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:27 am
by xtcvsmistycold
plugins esp. analogue emus are probably gonna work best at -20
-20 the equivalent to the +4/1.23 Volt reference
it's not just for fader resolution
yh it's obviously rough just put a trim plugin as the first plugin turn everything down and laugh
Re: Got a question about gain staging and leavin faders at u
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 6:28 pm
by nowaysj
The source is the sound generator. So if it is a synth, turn down the main output on the synth. If it is a sampler, same, if multiple samples, turn down the volume of the individual sample. If it is an audio file, turn it down. Always correct upstream.
At the very end of the process, you'll have faders available for slight volume balancing.
Yes you are overthinkng.
get back to producing.
Re: Got a question about gain staging and leavin faders at u
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 6:55 pm
by xtcvsmistycold
xtcvsmistycold wrote:plugins esp. analogue emus are probably gonna work best at -20
-20 the equivalent to the +4/1.23 Volt reference
it's not just for fader resolution
wow interesting point never thought of it like that
Re: Got a question about gain staging and leavin faders at u
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:59 pm
by H-Conscious
Thanks for the help guys. Much appreciated.
Re: Got a question about gain staging and leavin faders at u
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 10:39 pm
by 3za
xtcvsmistycold wrote:xtcvsmistycold wrote:plugins esp. analogue emus are probably gonna work best at -20
-20 the equivalent to the +4/1.23 Volt reference
it's not just for fader resolution
wow interesting point never thought of it like that
Why did you quote yourself?

Re: Got a question about gain staging and leavin faders at u
Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:36 am
by outbound
I have a gain plugin at the beginning of most channels, allows me to get the right level there before it hits any plugins (so easy to forget that these can and will distort, not all are running at 32 bit floating point so be careful!)
This also means I'm usually getting into the right ballpark before we get to the faders so I don't need to mess with them that much
Re: Got a question about gain staging and leavin faders at u
Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:36 am
by Molzie
Come on bro
Re: Got a question about gain staging and leavin faders at u
Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:41 am
by Hashkey
legend4ry wrote:All it means is that the resolution of the faders gets lower as the fader goes down.
You'll be able to make less intricate changes if the fade is only as 1/4th of the way from the bottom rather than at unity.
+1 if you want to make volume adjustments don't touch the faders, use clip Gain. Many plugins work ideally at a fixed rms. Exceeding or going lower will not give you proper results
