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Might sound a bit daft but I had a dream a few nights ago and its been lurking around my mind for a while and I just need to express my opinion and I feel the forum hasnt had a topic like this for a while.

In the next few days Burial will be releasing his new album, Untrue. Could this be what the scene needs interms of publicity or will it take the opposite turn and start a chain of events that will not ruin, but hurt the healthy scene we have at the moment.

Burials new album will take off instantly, especially with the success and the publicity the last one got. But entertainment and music journalists who never had the chance to cover the last one no doubt will make the effort to do a write up this time around atleast.

Im just fearing that the media will attract the wrong crowds, due to the fact Burial's music is not really rave music, but listening music. Something that can attract a wide audience from all different scenes and different ages. I am sure if my Nan knew who Burial was and what music he produced, she probably would listen.

Maybe I just dont like change im not sure but even pokes commented last night on the boomnoise and pokes show on SubFM that he would like the media and the attention the scene is getting at the moment to subside and quiet down a little.

The more I think about it, the more it reminds me of Mortal Combat with the 5 combos leading to a KO. Benga + Coki - Night is another one of those tunes that crosses the border out of dubstep and into other genres doing the round in Ayia Nappa, EZ's KissFM show and fuck knows where else, especially at £4.99 at HMV it will probably be played at weddings next.

DMC championships. DJ Final put a few bits in his set, sparking the ear drums of hundreds of DnB fans waking them up to a sound that is happening.

I am not saying these people shouldnt produce these tunes or the other people cant play them. Just highlighting the fact that the scene is moving in a direction and everyone should be aware.

Another comment last night in the boomnoise and pokes show was that, boomnoise commented about Drum and Bass arena putting money into a scene that they know is happening. Cashing in quick before the big bang?

Maybe the current turn of events wont actually attempt to ruin the scene with commercialisation and strong media publicity, but trying to keep it our scene will...



Discuss

Im not too worried.Burial is still a Niche product.Alot of people simply won't get it, finding it boring like they did the first one.I think the whole Bassline/Niche scene is taking an awfull lot of heat from dubstep right now.It's far more accessible than Dubstep and the youth are definately vibing off it. Dubstep just ain't cheesey enough to hit the mass market.

quick in and out of this topic for me, but alot of what you are talking about is already done. i don't think the burial album is the event you are looking for, especially given the fact that dj's don't even play his tunes out, but everything your worried about has creeped in slowly over the past year, and its not going to peak at one obvious moment. the ex-dnb infrastructure has definintely kicked in a long time ago.

the thing that worried me was the lack of studio time all of the popular core guys (skream/mala/loe/kode)get because they have to tour so much. this is something you can't avoid, but it will have a definite impact on quality. my interest has fizzled out a lot.

ADRUU wrote:quick in and out of this topic for me, but alot of what you are talking about is already done. i don't think the burial album is the event you are looking for, especially given the fact that dj's don't even play his tunes out, but everything your worried about has creeped in slowly over the past year, and its not going to peak at one obvious moment. the ex-dnb infrastructure has definintely kicked in a long time ago.

the thing that worried me was the lack of studio time all of the popular core guys (skream/mala/loe/kode)get because they have to tour so much. this is something you can't avoid, but it will have a definite impact on quality. my interest has fizzled out a lot.

The last comment you made about studio time I thought about aswell. I wonder how seriously they get annoyed and how many tunes they have only half finsihed because they have to be somewhere by plane the next day.

But then surely the feeling they get from seeing all the people turn up because simply they are there to play their music must compensate alot for this?

Baron_von_Carlton wrote:Im not too worried.Burial is still a Niche product.Alot of people simply won't get it, finding it boring like they did the first one.

agree..

Although @ Ashley, i can see where your coming from and the attention from the media dubstep is recieving at the moment, may (i hope it doesnt) eventually push dubstep into a sense that people hear it....think oh right.....thats dubstep....and move on. Unlike when i 1st heard it..and thought, oh my fucking christ what is this....but then i suppose this is bordering on peoples tastes and whether they would even listen...

Also aswell Ashley....in your comments on the DNB Arena cashing in worries me....is this really true??

Don't think that Burial's going to cause mass interest in dubstep, because 99.9% of dubstep doesn't sound like Burial. If you compare the first album with (insert big name dubstep producer), there's really very little similarity with the majority of dubstep production.

To be honest, a lot of what I consider to be negative impact has already been done, there's already a lot of producers taking the blueprint of old Skream and Coki tunes and coming into the scene with the idea that dubstep IS halfstep wobble and that to me is already reducing the possibilities that were there a few years back.

In a way, it could be quite healthy, because it might bring in some people with good ideas that can take it somewhere new, that might not have heard it before.

Face it, dubstep's a big boy now and needs to cut the apron strings

I don't think Burial's album will have that much to do with it but as much as I feel like a cock for saying it, I am worried that dubstep is going to become the way DNB is in the near future...

Petty elitism in this thread.

Things I deduce from this thread:

Ashley's nan is Burial.

And she is immanentising the eschaton with this new album.

Watch out.

Baron_von_Carlton wrote:Im not too worried.Burial is still a Niche product.Alot of people simply won't get it, finding it boring like they did the first one.I think the whole Bassline/Niche scene is taking an awfull lot of heat from dubstep right now.It's far more accessible than Dubstep and the youth are definately vibing off it. Dubstep just ain't cheesey enough to hit the mass market.

depends what you mean by cheese and mass market, people like rusko definitely going to appeal to hate the word but 'clownsteppers' more, cos its a jump up style, in my opinion its cheesy as well and will therefore reach not necessarily a mass market but a much wider one

proved by the fact that been playing my mates cyrus, loefah and mala etc for over a year now not interested they hear 2 in a q bingo! all my mates who listen to jump up dnb love that style

with burial though to me the fact that it is sit down and listen to music means that i couldnt care if journalists start claiming him as the next big thing cos the music itself is a lot more personal

hopper wrote:

Corpsey wrote:I am worried that dubstep is going to become the way DNB is in the near future...

In a way, I'm hoping that more exposure might mean that there might be an influx from genres other than drum and bass. Seems to me that it's almost become like dnb's little brother with a dubstep room at the raves, loads of dnb producers trying their hands at dubstep production, etc

Not slagging all dnb producers that have crossed over, as there have been some good results, but it would be nice to hear a take on the sound that wasn't as unimaginative and generic as (much of) the scene they used to be (or are still) a part of. Why not more hip hop heads, techno and house producers, or any number of other genres?

Shonky wrote:Don't think that Burial's going to cause mass interest in dubstep, because 99.9% of dubstep doesn't sound like Burial. If you compare the first album with (insert big name dubstep producer), there's really very little similarity with the majority of dubstep production.

Its not burials style, but the tag "dubstep" it carries with it that will draw the attention.

To your standard person "dubstep" represents a whole genre not an individual right?

to clarify. dnbarena are just looking at ways to present dubstep to their users. i'm involved in a project which will come to fruition soon.

i don't think it's productive to use terms like 'cashing in' so preemptively.

dubstep is gonna go the way drum n bass and countless other 'innovative' genres have - its the science of life. trying to deny this is like trying to deny humans are born and die, water makes u wet and that fire burns u. one way to maybe prolongue its creativity is to introduce other influences as oppose to just trying to make dubstep... once u try and make dubstep like its been mentioned bare times on here before, thats when things start fucking up.

you all smell of piss and i don't like it

ozols man wrote:once u try and make dubstep like its been mentioned bare times on here before, thats when things start fucking up.

Ha, it's true. EVERYBODY - STOP MAKING DUBSTEP NOW!

forensix (mcr) wrote:you all smell of piss and i don't like it

Sure you didn't just stick your finger up your nose?

masstronaut wrote:

ozols man wrote:once u try and make dubstep like its been mentioned bare times on here before, thats when things start fucking up.

Ha, it's true. EVERYBODY - STOP MAKING DUBSTEP NOW!

swear down man! the bass and tempo i can get down with, but thats it really..

masstronaut wrote:

forensix (mcr) wrote:you all smell of piss and i don't like it

Sure you didn't just stick your finger up your nose?

yes



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