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saw this on a producers interviews video

Korg MS2000R. Adequate cheapish rackmount VA synth, not much to do with drums.

Dunno about drum machines, I tend to use single hit samples shaped to sound how I want or VST drumsynths or breaks. A H/W drumbox would be a fun toy but probably not all that useful to me atm...

Slothrop wrote:Korg MS2000R. Adequate cheapish rackmount VA synth, not much to do with drums.

Dunno about drum machines, I tend to use single hit samples shaped to sound how I want or VST drumsynths or breaks. A H/W drumbox would be a fun toy but probably not all that useful to me atm...

i see buy the buttons it looked like a drum machine.

i think the pic above is a bit misleading, you get a better peek at it here

ms2000's are sick and yes...

you can make a psytrance kick and a snare sound using white noise, but f**k that!


traditional drum machines (alesis hr-16, roland 808, etc...) are pretty much obsolete, replaced by the drum sampler / workstations like the MPC's and roland mv909's and software samplers like battery, guru, kontakt, etc...

unklefesta wrote: traditional drum machines (alesis hr-16, roland 808, etc...) are pretty much obsolete, replaced by the drum sampler / workstations like the MPC's and roland mv909's and software samplers like battery, guru, kontakt, etc...

Not true...

Im a fan of hardware, and ive got a Boss DR880, i like to have the hands on when making the tunes, and i can just sift through the diff drums sounds quickly and come up with what i want.....

unklefesta wrote:guru

He said it!

He said it!

namtax wrote:Not true...

Im a fan of hardware, and ive got a Boss DR880, i like to have the hands on when making the tunes, and i can just sift through the diff drums sounds quickly and come up with what i want.....

come on buddy guy...

you can't tell me your dr. rhythm is cutting edge technology

I am certain I have one of those in the bottom of a box somewhere

just because YOU like it, doesn't mean it's not obsolete

two oh one wrote:

unklefesta wrote:guru

He said it!

He said it!

like you didn't see that one coming

unklefesta wrote:

namtax wrote:Not true...

Im a fan of hardware, and ive got a Boss DR880, i like to have the hands on when making the tunes, and i can just sift through the diff drums sounds quickly and come up with what i want.....

come on buddy guy...

you can't tell me your dr. rythm is cutting edge technology

I am certain I have one of those in the bottom of a box somewhere

just because YOU like it, doesn't mean it's not obsolete

Who said its cutting edge technology?

Ive been making music for somewhile, and drums have always been an issue.I bought this drum machine about 2/3 years back, and its helped my music alot. I much prefer to use a hardware drum machine than use a software alternative, and i reckon im not the only one..

Its got stacks and stacks of high quality hard sounds, which you can tweak, eq and compress in the box, and its hands on, so I can filter through sounds, and play out drum patterns easily on it...

Now without any evidence, just because YOU dont like them, doesnt mean that they are obselete.....

right you are

but I really dont have time to debate you over whether or not a Dr 880 is a good purchase for Weasible

but I doubt many producers still use them, that said...

I believe them to be obsolete

and for the record, you are the one who told my statements were:

namtax wrote:Not true

take that buddy guy

unklefesta wrote:right you are

but I really dont have time to debate you over whether or not a Dr 880 is a good purchase for Weasible

but I doubt many producers still use them, that said...

I believe them to be obsolete

and for the record, you are the one who told my statements were:

namtax wrote:Not true

Thats fair....

Its just like you are stating that producers dont use drum machines anymore, but I reckon they do..i dont have any surveys, and its not really that important anyway, but I reckon that producers in genres such as techno, house, etc etc still use em....

Now, I produce using logic, and used to use chopped up recycle samples, people always said...your tunes are good, but your beats need to be stronger. So I searched for software drums to use and I couldnt find them anywhere..
I ended up buying a drum machine and it was an extremely beneficial purchase...trust me...
Now, I spend quite a lot of money on hardware, cos thats what i like, but i presume a lot of people here prefer to go for software cos its cheaper and doesnt take up space etc...
So if you are using reason or something, you may as well just use the drums in that etc, but for my set up I havent found any software which comes even near to what my drum machine can achieve...

I hear that

drum machine + distortion = awesomeness!

I really like my software sampler because I have access to a really large library of drum sounds, where as when I used hardware samplers I'd always be looking for the right zip or even floppy disk that had the sounds in them. I'd lose my inspiration before I could find the sound I was looking for

and I hear you about the crappy quality of REX files

yeeesh

well to be honest, im now sure how good the software drum machines are these days, but as I say, when i bought the boss dr-880 a few years ago..the software alternatives werent really that good.

Now i wouldnt really suggest any people starting out making tunes spend the same amount of money I spent on a drum machine, as I know alot of people here are using reason etc...so may as well use the drums in that....

But as im using logic, a drum machine seemed like the logical thing to get, and for me personally its been a massive help. Originally, as you say, i had loads of drum samples in the exs24 sampler in logic, and i would sift through all these 2nd rate quality samples, and lose my motivation. Now i just load up the drum machine, hands on, scroll through all the drums sounds, add compression and eq, and tap out a beat on the pads....

namtax-



Logic's free Ultrabeat not any good then? I think the interface is hardly inspiring, but it's capable of some neat sounds.

I hear ya about hardware. Some things just click for certain people and we can and do argue about these things all the time.

One of the few hardware pieces I have left is a Korg ER-1 and I love that for the hands on approach to making synth drums, but even that is gathering dust these days. I used to just take it into a room without a computer and plug in headphones and make some patterns and sounds from scratch with it. Now I can do that with GURU and a powerbook, albeit it not being a drum synth like the ER-1.

No hardware looks appealing to me anymore, unless it's a true analog or something with something really unique to offer.

does that beast come with logic 8?

Yeah it comes with Logic. It was introduced ages ago when Apple took over. Can't remember which version off hand. It's all been one big gorgeous blur.



Looks pretty, but it's just so un fun to use that it doesn't inspire, even after a couple of weeks with it. I'm sure some people love it, though. I got into Guru after about half an hour of play. That's how it should be.

twazzer wrote:That's how it should be.

werd!


you should meet 2oh1 he also uses Logic and Guru

unklefesta wrote:

twazzer wrote:That's how it should be.

werd!


you should meet 2oh1 he also uses Logic and Guru

Yeah.

We've actually met. We use a near identical set up, except he doesn't put distortion on every channel for some reason or other.

twazzer wrote:

No hardware looks appealing to me anymore, unless it's a true analog or something with something really unique to offer.

To be honest, I dont really mind what people use to make their drums with, I just responded to the festa statement cos it seemed like he was saying that hardware was completely redundant, whilst for me its really integral to my set up...a really healthy addition.

Now, im not sure what people are using these days, but it would suprise me if most artists had stopped using drum machines, aphex twin, autechre, chemical brothers etc etc, but I dont really have stats to back it up, and its not 100% important anyway...

Now, that Logic Drum machine looks phat, but I only have logic on PC, im not sure what this Guru is, but you are raving about that as well. But when I got my drum machine, the software alternatives werent up to scratch at all, and I was using samples from sound banks, and the rex files from cut up drum samples...I got some phat stuff, but when i just wanted to make a straight up dance beat it took too long to find what I was after, and many of the samples werent solid enough....This is where I find the drum machine works for me.

I wouldnt recommend that everyone gets one, cos it was expensive, and alot of people studios are software based anyway...reason, fruity loops, but for me, its hand on, so quick to manipulate, and the drum sounds in there are PHAT!!!