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Posted: **Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:57 pm**

horsepower??

Posted: **Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:14 pm**

crazel wrote:horsepower??

I'd say so!

Posted: **Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:31 pm**

From the Meat Beat Manifesto thread, I would say "Radio Babylon". Check it.

Posted: **Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:52 pm**

Like most genres, there was tunes made through a period of transition. So its kidna like asking the first Rock n Roll track.

Posted: **Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:27 pm**

tom waits made the first dubstep tune in 1974

i thought everyone knew this?

Posted: **Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:29 pm**

leftfield's "chant of a poor man" is very dubstep. and thats back in 99 blad

Posted: **Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:31 pm**

The Others - Dubstep

Posted: **Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:37 pm**

remember someone saying that muslimgauze created dubstep. but even if he created something that sounded dubstep-ish it's probably difficult to claim that it's dubstep per se

edit - thread here http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t ... sc&start=0

Posted: **Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:42 pm**

you gotta ask yourself what was the first time darkness came into 2step garage. i'd say that happened with Groove Chronicles and then El-B's Ghost camp.

Posted: **Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:52 pm**

gotta be horsepower -/- El-B

Posted: **Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:39 am**

Blackdown wrote:i'd say that happened with Groove Chronicles and then El-B's Ghost camp.

I agree.

Got to give major props to Zed Bias, Oris Jay and respectively Jammin & Wookie also.

BADMANS!

Posted: **Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:54 am**

ajantis_art wrote:leftfield's "chant of a poor man" is very dubstep. and thats back in 99 blad

yeah mate, i was playing that at the start of all my sets at the start of last year..

Posted: **Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:10 am**

Chris De Burgh - Lady in Red - http://youtube.com/watch?v=OcWspfgk9c8

Listen to that beat! very Loefah-esque.

Posted: **Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:16 am**

Bill Laswell

'Nuff Said.

Posted: **Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:22 am**

Blackdown wrote:you gotta ask yourself what was the first time darkness came into 2step garage. i'd say that happened with Groove Chronicles and then El-B's Ghost camp.

I'd say that was dark garage, part of the root structure yes.. The term Dubstep wasn't flying around when tunes like Black Puppet etc came out.

In Fine style by Horsepower was the first real Dubstep release for me.

Posted: **Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:25 am**

People say Scorn has been doing what we call Dubstep for many years, but I guess the way Scorn has worked into his own sound isnt quite what we call Dubstep.

According to Menta/Artwork Dubstep first started with Benny Ill bringing in tunes into Big Apple Records shop on Surrey Street market that were verry dubby but not 2step. Im guessing which ever of these tunes he brought into the shop were the first of the genre, but I am guessing the key milestone should actually be the first ever dubstep release?

Emma Warren wrote:What was the link between Hatcha and Tempa/Ammunition?
Benny Ill used to come in the shop. Back in the early garage days he was trying to make garage but he was putting the snare on the wrong beat, on the three beat. It made it more like … he loves dub reggae.. he was making dub reggae garage. We were like ‘this is weird’ but Hatcha loved it but Hatcha called it dubstep. It was Benny Ill that started it, without a doubt. He used to bring the tracks into us. We were so used to the garage sound and he’d come in with this record with the beats on the wrong beat and Hatcha used to play them on then radio. It was very dubby and it wasn’t 2 step.

Extract from an interview with Menta AKA Artwork by Emma Warren
http://www.getdarker.com/?id=4&aid=6

Posted: **Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:27 am**

Blackdown wrote:you gotta ask yourself what was the first time darkness came into 2step garage. i'd say that happened with Groove Chronicles and then El-B's Ghost camp.

What about Skykap-Endorphin or KMA-Cape Fear?

Posted: **Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:40 am**

bassbeyondreason wrote:
Blackdown wrote:you gotta ask yourself what was the first time darkness came into 2step garage. i'd say that happened with Groove Chronicles and then El-B's Ghost camp.
What about Skykap-Endorphin or KMA-Cape Fear?

well exactly, and this shows why it's an artificial definition, the 'first' dubstep record, because there wasn't one really.

when you reduce it to "dark + 2step" which is as far as you can go, you find all kinds of dark elements in 2step ie heavy basslines from speed garage and things like RIP Groove or Reach & Spin - Hype The Funk that have a big bassline, but were merely part of garage rather than the beginning of dubstep.

Anyway, the start for me was always El-B's "The Club" Ghost 001 but as Chef says, Horsepower were making beats at those times too and Hatcha was playing them both, so its hard to call.

Posted: **Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:55 pm**

basically you gotta think that back in 95 (when tunes like cape fear come out originally) they were making Garage.
Dubstep was just a word invented for a scene that had no name at the time, and that didnt sit too well in the general Garage Ouvre due to the high number of breakcore tracks etc.
so yeh basically Horsepower / El-B (tho el-b was making garage, never did he think ah this is a dubstep tune, when he was building them eg. Stone Cold is a garage tune even tho a lot of people play it in dubstep sets btw anyone else remeber when that actually came out and how everyone thought it was cheese? but thats by the by)
my two cents for today

Posted: **Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:02 pm**

Chef wrote:
crazel wrote:horsepower??
I'd say so!

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whats the very first dubstep tune ever made????

whats the very first dubstep tune ever made????