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A good thing or a bad thing? What about music and spirtuality then ? How about politics and spirituality ?

I'm going for

a) yes
b) yes
c) no

yeah ... im inspired by both to write music

religion has played at least some small part in every disaster of this century... be it the religion of money, or the religious persecution of others, etc... there is plenty of blood on the hands of every church on the planet. boo.

Old Dead Kennedy's and Public Enemy fan from the 80's so I think if it's done well, politics and music can work, but personally speaking, I'd rather get my politics from elsewhere as it often sounds rather hamfisted when done badly and I don't ask politicians/lobbyists/activists to write tunes after all.

Although I'm an atheist, I think that spirituality will come out in your music if you're a spiritual person anyway, but I think that when people are trying to appear that way it sounds contrived and I've seen too many folks assuming the veneer of deep, when they are anything but.

Interestingly, I met a few folks that used to be in Spiral Tribe years ago, and although they were obviously well into the hedonistic, party end of things, they were also very interested in improving the community action end of things, and often provided squatted spaces for mothers groups, local art projects and information centre for direct action iniatives. Given that most people generally see techno types as unpoliticised, I found this quite an eye-opener.

why all the ghettoisation tho ? what makes you think music is seperate from politricks/sprituality ?

Currently working on my second album with my industrial/ebm group and its highly political. Too much going on to simply write about anything else.

do it
don't do it
do it

it depends how the references / links are made.

if it's just lazy, say casual anti-americanism, then fuck that. but if it's well constructed, relevant, and not at the expense of the music, then fine.

having said that, im just thinking back to when i first heard duppy man. really good tune, but once i found out what it was about, i wasn't sure what to do.

Shonky wrote:Interestingly, I met a few folks that used to be in Spiral Tribe years ago, and although they were obviously well into the hedonistic, party end of things, they were also very interested in improving the community action end of things, and often provided squatted spaces for mothers groups, local art projects and information centre for direct action iniatives. Given that most people generally see techno types as unpoliticised, I found this quite an eye-opener.

squat/techno types are often politically active (or at least aware) in my experience. At a lot of the events ive been to theyve given out leaflets on G8, local socialist meetings etc, plus there is a strong ecological / environmental awareness in most... its rare that a rave will end and people will walk away without tidying and litterpicking, making sure it ends up how it started. Thats a good way to integrate the two i think, not by making overt political statements in the music itself, but by generating a scene and atmosphere which propagates certain values and attitudes

elgato wrote:

Shonky wrote:Interestingly, I met a few folks that used to be in Spiral Tribe years ago, and although they were obviously well into the hedonistic, party end of things, they were also very interested in improving the community action end of things, and often provided squatted spaces for mothers groups, local art projects and information centre for direct action iniatives. Given that most people generally see techno types as unpoliticised, I found this quite an eye-opener.

squat/techno types are often politically active (or at least aware) in my experience. At a lot of the events ive been to theyve given out leaflets on G8, local socialist meetings etc, plus there is a strong ecological / environmental awareness in most... its rare that a rave will end and people will walk away without tidying and litterpicking, making sure it ends up how it started. Thats a good way to integrate the two i think, not by making overt political statements in the music itself, but by generating a scene and atmosphere which propagates certain values and attitudes

Yep, definitely, all the party crews I know in Brighton are conscientous about leaving the countryside as found. If these things are run well then people can't criticise as much and project a better public image (well as good as loads of munters off their tits in fields can be pr'd anyhow). The whole reclaiming space idea seems to fit in with a good socialist ethic too.

The Bug seems to have a good balance of politics and music

Politics/spirituality etc in in music, cool.
Musicians speaking on politics/spirituality outside of music like they're experts or have some deeper insight than every other common person, not cool.
Same goes for actors.

Like Bob Marley and Michael Jackson etc?

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strongly for political sentiments in music, even if I don't agree with them.

Yes
Yes
No

EliteLennon117 wrote:The Bug seems to have a good balance of politics and music

the fuck...? What the hell made you post a random reply to such a fossilized thread?

Just having a look back at the true hedz m8. back when dubstep was house and house was br-step

well thanks to you i have a reason to post atari teenage riot so yay i guess

hasezwei wrote:well thanks to you i have a reason to post atari teenage riot so yay i guess

I know I hate it in movies and shows. Tron was the worst. It was soooo anti-Soviet, so conservative. Or "The Invention of Lying", that Gervais flick.

I don't mind it if it's done subtlety. Vague references or clever commentary. Doesn't even matter what their political positions are. But most politics in music is very preachy and not self-conscious enough. You could say, that defeats the purpose of being critical, but I think being self-critical and aware of your positions in a debate makes for better commentary.