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Just out of interest are there any ninjas out there that aren't that interested in it any more. Still a few good tunes floating about, but seems to be either soulless squawk/wobble or try hard deepness/boredom for 95% of the releases I seem to hear. Have probably bought less than 5 dubstep tunes in the last 3 months cause it sounds to me like most of the ideas are being rehashed endlessly. Still stuff like Darkstar, TRG, Hessle, Burial and some of the unsigned people that keeps my interest, but been finding more innovative sounds from outside dubstep recently.

I pretty much go straight to the Hideout for the chat now, although that seems to be drying up too.

Iv only been signed up for a week or so but this section of the forum is far more entertaining than the others. &yeah i still listen to dubstep.

Shonky wrote:Just out of interest are there any ninjas out there that aren't that interested in it any more. Still a few good tunes floating about, but seems to be either soulless squawk/wobble or try hard deepness/boredom for 95% of the releases I seem to hear. Have probably bought less than 5 dubstep tunes in the last 3 months cause it sounds to me like most of the ideas are being rehashed endlessly. Still stuff like Darkstar, TRG, Hessle, Burial and some of the unsigned people that keeps my interest, but been finding more innovative sounds from outside dubstep recently.

I pretty much go straight to the Hideout for the chat now, although that seems to be drying up too.

I haven't bought any.. I will probably pick up a few bits when I get paid but yes it has gone really dull. I will probably pick up a load of techno as well and maybe some jungle represses I've had my eye on.

i blame datura for the downfall of the SNH

Have to disagree, sorry, only due to the fact that iv'e got back into dj-ing recently, and i think a lot of the releases that are dropping at the mo are sick..

On the souless squark/wobble, thats a matter of opinion to be fair

forensix (mcr) wrote:

Shonky wrote:Just out of interest are there any ninjas out there that aren't that interested in it any more. Still a few good tunes floating about, but seems to be either soulless squawk/wobble or try hard deepness/boredom for 95% of the releases I seem to hear. Have probably bought less than 5 dubstep tunes in the last 3 months cause it sounds to me like most of the ideas are being rehashed endlessly. Still stuff like Darkstar, TRG, Hessle, Burial and some of the unsigned people that keeps my interest, but been finding more innovative sounds from outside dubstep recently.

I pretty much go straight to the Hideout for the chat now, although that seems to be drying up too.

I haven't bought any.. I will probably pick up a few bits when I get paid but yes it has gone really dull. I will probably pick up a load of techno as well and maybe some jungle represses I've had my eye on.

i blame datura for the downfall of the SNH

my fingers on someone else

forensix (mcr) wrote:represses I've had my eye on.

i blame datura for the downfall of the SNH

what are these jungle represses? they in the shops? i completely missed the whole jungle thing but would love to get hold of some to (attempt to) mix with

and yeah SMT at datura

deamonds wrote:On the souless squark/wobble, thats a matter of opinion to be fair

You think it's soulful?

Oh by the way, not slating anyone that is into it still, just wondering if there were people (like myself) that come here out of habit even though the original interest has faded.

I haven't been to a dubstep night for ages, and I don't buy records or have access to the internet at home, so I rarely get the chance to listen to it at the moment. I never really bother with the Dubstep part of the forum as it's always hype threads (oh the irony) or cyclic 'dubsteps becoming formulaic'/'if-you-don't-like-it-don't-listen-to-it' debates.

Hopefully Exodus on the 30th May will fill me with enthusiasm again.

Shonky wrote:Oh by the way, not slating anyone that is into it still, just wondering if there were people (like myself) that come here out of habit even though the original interest has faded.

partly habit, i don't really spend much time discussing dubstep like i used to. do see the odd thread in main that's worth commenting on but not very often these days

and music doesn't necessarily have to have soul to be enjoyable - were you not just saying that you like breakcore?

badger wrote:

forensix (mcr) wrote:represses I've had my eye on.

i blame datura for the downfall of the SNH

what are these jungle represses? they in the shops? i completely missed the whole jungle thing but would love to get hold of some to (attempt to) mix with

and yeah SMT at datura

I spotted some remarc and doc scott records in a shop the other day thought they must have represses

badger wrote:

Shonky wrote:Oh by the way, not slating anyone that is into it still, just wondering if there were people (like myself) that come here out of habit even though the original interest has faded.

partly habit, i don't really spend much time discussing dubstep like i used to. do see the odd thread in main that's worth commenting on but not very often these days

and music doesn't necessarily have to have soul to be enjoyable - were you not just saying that you like breakcore?

Maybe soulless was the wrong word, but it does seem to be utterly unemotional music - it's not aggressive just lairy, has no beauty to it and might as well be fucking dalek fight really. Thing with breakcore is that it at least has that headfuckiness and complete aural assault going for it (whether you're into that or not).

forensix (mcr) wrote:

badger wrote:

forensix (mcr) wrote:represses I've had my eye on.

i blame datura for the downfall of the SNH

what are these jungle represses? they in the shops? i completely missed the whole jungle thing but would love to get hold of some to (attempt to) mix with

and yeah SMT at datura

I spotted some remarc and doc scott records in a shop the other day thought they must have represses

Get the Sound Murderer compilation Remarc did if you can find it - all killer, no filler

Shonky wrote:Maybe soulless was the wrong word, but it does seem to be utterly unemotional music - it's not aggressive just lairy, has no beauty to it and might as well be fucking dalek fight really. Thing with breakcore is that it at least has that headfuckiness and complete aural assault going for it (whether you're into that or not).

i partly agree with you... but just out of interest what sort of dubstep are you talking about here? there's such a wide variety of sounds that tarring all dubstep with the same brush is a bit silly

badger wrote:

Shonky wrote:Maybe soulless was the wrong word, but it does seem to be utterly unemotional music - it's not aggressive just lairy, has no beauty to it and might as well be fucking dalek fight really. Thing with breakcore is that it at least has that headfuckiness and complete aural assault going for it (whether you're into that or not).

i partly agree with you... but just out of interest what sort of dubstep are you talking about here? there's such a wide variety of sounds that tarring all dubstep with the same brush is a bit silly

Well I suppose the plethora of midrange squawkers that sound pretty homogenous, the indistinguishable halfstep plodders with less sycopation than a marching band. Seems inevitable that so many copyists will arrive but just seems unimaginative to me, which is surely goes against the point of doing something creative in the first place.

I hadnt bought any dubstep new for a long long time till the other day (been buying lots of old bits and pieces im missing from discogs and the like) but I finally got round to it, and out of maybe a page or two of chemical records, think I bought 4 things

But then again, if dubstep is still making things like TRGs new album, the darkstar hyperdub release, ramadanmans soul jazz release...I aint giving up hope yet!

To be honest though I was more interested in finding out if Ninjas come here for the jollies than yet another tiresome thread about today's dubstep. Seems to be an awful lot of folks that don't ever seem to go near the main forum from here.

Shonky wrote:Well I suppose the plethora of midrange squawkers that sound pretty homogenous, the indistinguishable halfstep plodders with less sycopation than a marching band. Seems inevitable that so many copyists will arrive but just seems unimaginative to me, which is surely goes against the point of doing something creative in the first place.

I feel deeply saddened that some of the original copyists have now become major names and get release after release of played out midrange turd which blocks the way to the more interesting/different/original stuff because people going to dubstep nights (esp outside London) only want to hear "BIG TOONS" and to go "MENTAL" and so promoters aren't willing to take risks and then the only djs you get to see in Manchester are Rusko & Caspa and Skream and occasional one more from Mala, Benga, Loefah and Kode 9

Shonky wrote:

badger wrote:

Shonky wrote:Maybe soulless was the wrong word, but it does seem to be utterly unemotional music - it's not aggressive just lairy, has no beauty to it and might as well be fucking dalek fight really. Thing with breakcore is that it at least has that headfuckiness and complete aural assault going for it (whether you're into that or not).

i partly agree with you... but just out of interest what sort of dubstep are you talking about here? there's such a wide variety of sounds that tarring all dubstep with the same brush is a bit silly

Well I suppose the plethora of midrange squawkers that sound pretty homogenous, the indistinguishable halfstep plodders with less sycopation than a marching band. Seems inevitable that so many copyists will arrive but just seems unimaginative to me, which is surely goes against the point of doing something creative in the first place.

it depends entirely on what you're after in music though. was talking to you on msn the other day and you kept saying things like this sounds like 80s techno or something that like. so to you it's unimaginative and but to younger listeners (which the vast majority of dubstep listeners are i would have thought) who didn't live through those times it sounds new and interesting. yeah it might be borrowing from old sounds, either deliberately or not, but it's doing something that a lot of people wouldn't have heard. perhaps people should look more into past music (that's of course if it's available anywhere other than filesharing - which often it's not) but it's human nature that people want some new and "interesting" and often just want to look cool to their mates. possibly this is why there's getting a lot of undesirable element at nights nowadays with people there to look cool etc

sorry went off on a bit of a tangent there

I forgot to actually answer your question Shonky. I spend 95% of my time on dubstep forum in here. For the jollies.

Certainly less excited about dubstep than I was previously. It has never been the main genre I listen to though (I don't really have one) and I give the old favourites a listen as often as ever.