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Dubtechno or technodub ?

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 6:00 am
by epithet
either or but i've been seeing this word bandied about a bit lately, specifically in regard to 2562's aerial album, of which i see voiceovered promos have been leaked already.

Am keen to check out more of this style which from what little i have heard reminds me of longtime dubhouse practitioners Pitch Black from NZ.

http://www.myspace.com/pitchblacknz

please, any recommendations/links/mixes/tunes/labels gratefully accepted.

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 7:20 am
by ory
Basic Channel and related labels created it, mastered it and eventually killed it. Most everything else is a poor version of what Moritz and Mark were doing in the early-mid 90s. Except maybe Convextion...

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:05 am
by electric eliminator
Bandulu get almost no props when it comes to these type of discussions.They were the real innovators if you ask me, and from London, really surprising they arent mentioned more on here.

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Bandulu

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:08 am
by ory
I wouldn't really call Bandulu dub techno. Their remix of Slowdive is amazing though.

EDIT: Well this one kinda is, but in a different way from Basic Channel.

http://www.discogs.com/release/48047

I used to mix this with Elemental - Soul Fire.

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:08 am
by joe muggs
electric eliminator wrote:Bandulu get almost no props when it comes to these type of discussions.They were the real innovators if you ask me, and from London, really surprising they arent mentioned more on here.

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Bandulu
WORD. Bandulu were properly varied too. I think Basic Channel get over hyped. They didn't own the sound that's for sure. And now people like Echospace/Deepchord are staking their own claim to the territory.

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:14 am
by datura
Substance & Vainqueur

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:05 am
by jaggi
Joe Muggs wrote: Echospace/Deepchord
I really enjoy their music.

Also check Claro Intelecto - Metanarrative

http://www.discogs.com/release/1243891

Deep dub techno styles....

Mary Anne picked one of the tunes off that album for her upcoming Evangeline compilation.

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:47 am
by rob_booth
Yeah for me its always Basic Channel.

Nu-skool dub-techno

90% of the 'Modern Love' catalogue

echocord

Echospace [detroit]

certain releases on ~scape

Murmur's new album ...masterpiece

Substance & Vainqueur



and what ever seems to be album/single of the week these days on boomkat :!:

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:53 am
by james fox
Image

scape records = win

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:53 am
by epithet
Claro intelecto looks good. Got an electro ep of his from a few years ago that wasn't bad but to be honest, that basic channel stuff sounds a bit dated. :oops:

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:55 am
by frebentos
datura wrote:Substance & Vainqueur
WURD!

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:06 pm
by daggus
frebentos wrote:
datura wrote:Substance & Vainqueur
WURD!
seconded

they played glasgow couple weeks back. cudn't actually get anyone to come with me tho :x

just went myself worth it :D

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:07 pm
by rob_booth
epithet wrote:Claro intelecto looks good. Got an electro ep of his from a few years ago that wasn't bad but to be honest, that basic channel stuff sounds a bit dated. :oops:
there are 09 remasters doing the rounds ... those are over 10 yrs old though.

Try 'Model 500'

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:25 pm
by runner
basically Basic Channel/Burial Mix/Rhythm n sound/etc.
the M Series from as far back as 92
the Vainquer & Substance acronyms from the same family


the Tikkiman Showcase seminal LP that came out at the end of the last decade

SCION and THAT tresor white CD mix from 2000

in www.synch.gr this year we have dubstep for the first time 'sandwiching' Moritz Von Oswald, one half of Maurizio. Line up goes like this Peverelist/Headhunter/Moritz V.O./Pinch

goes to show where the influences come and go..

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:32 pm
by stormfield
liking the Shackleton remix of Pole's Achterbahn :)

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:38 pm
by daggus
Runner wrote: in www.synch.gr this year we have dubstep for the first time 'sandwiching' Moritz Von Oswald, one half of Maurizio. Line up goes like this Peverelist/Headhunter/Moritz V.O./Pinch
wish i'd known about this sooner might have been able to go

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:39 pm
by nakedlunch
Ory wrote: Most everything else is a poor version of what Moritz and Mark were doing in the early-mid 90s. Except maybe Convextion...
I have to disagree with this statment .I buy tones of dubtechno on vinyl .. Just pick up anything by andy stott , ub313 , cv313 , deepchord , quantec , mike huckaby , carlo intelecto , mlz , labels like echospace , echochord , modern love , styrax leaves , cache and you can hear the same sound executed with perfection

for anyone interested here is a 1hr mix I done of new(ish) dubtechno

http://www.zshare.net/audio/10757388d1772083/

Andy Stott - Handle With Care - Modern Love
Claro Intelecto - Rise - Modern Love
Pacou - All It Takes (Mike Huckaby SYNTH Remix) - Cache Records
Simian Mobile Disco - Hustler (Shackleton Remix) - Wichita
Ricardo Villalobos - Fizheuer Zieheuer Pt. 2 - playhouse
Andy Stott - See In Me - Modern Love
Brendon Moeller - Dreadmill - EchoCord
Sebbo - Watamu Beach (Moritz von Oswald Rework) - Desolat
Quantec - Lush - EchoCord
Mike Huckaby & Pacou - Sessions - Cache Records
Rhythm & Sound - Outward - Rhythm & Sound

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:46 pm
by [b]racket
electric eliminator wrote:Bandulu get almost no props when it comes to these type of discussions.They were the real innovators if you ask me, and from London, really surprising they arent mentioned more on here.

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Bandulu
Respect.

Bandulu were immense. Their lives sets were so good...

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:53 pm
by epithet
nakedlunch wrote:
for anyone interested here is a 1hr mix I done of new(ish) dubtechno

http://www.zshare.net/audio/10757388d1772083/
choice post and cheers for the mix.

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:22 pm
by juliun_c90
[b]racket wrote:
electric eliminator wrote:Bandulu get almost no props when it comes to these type of discussions.They were the real innovators if you ask me, and from London, really surprising they arent mentioned more on here.

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Bandulu
Respect.

Bandulu were immense. Their lives sets were so good...
they were great. they used to play megadog back in the day before 'megadog' became a biword for 'stinking crusty psy-toss'. also caught them do a storming daytime set at a tribal gathering (the year kraftwerk played i think). they brought a real soundsystem attitude to the dance and hyped the crowd with a bit of toasting and stuff. really wicked and largely unheard of approach in techno at that time.