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Might be because I'm coming from a drum and bass background: I read through different thread and it's (very) often said that the main snare hits on the 3. Don't know how to say it without sounding stupid, but how "set in stone is it?". I'm doing a track atm experimenting with some patterns and found something being slightly sycopated and never really hittin on the 3 and I think it's pretty good. I know- of course I can do whatever I want but how to you maintain the dubstep tracks stay mixable with each other?

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I might post some audio of what I got so far soon, but it needs some more work (well thats the good thing when coming from drum and bass -> processing + loud and clear mixdowns are first duty).

Put the snares where ever you want, as long as it's around 140bpm and has a lot of sub bass you should be fine.

BreakBait wrote:Put the snares where ever you want, as long as it's around 140bpm and has a lot of sub bass you should be fine.

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Put them where ever u want, dont complain about mixability...if the track is dope, DJ´s will spin it anyway.

going thru a list of about 100 of my recently added dubstep tunes in itunes i could only find one with a snare that doesn't fall on the 3rd beat (Hijak - Tears) so as to how "set in stone" it is...id say the majority of producers follow it

bEErz wrote:going thru a list of about 100 of my recently added dubstep tunes in itunes i could only find one with a snare that doesn't fall on the 3rd beat (Hijak - Tears) so as to how "set in stone" it is...id say the majority of producers follow it

you obviously haven't got a very broad selection of dubstep. imo

BreakBait wrote:

bEErz wrote:going thru a list of about 100 of my recently added dubstep tunes in itunes i could only find one with a snare that doesn't fall on the 3rd beat (Hijak - Tears) so as to how "set in stone" it is...id say the majority of producers follow it

you obviously haven't got a very broad selection of dubstep. imo

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bEErz wrote:going thru a list of about 100 of my recently added dubstep tunes in itunes i could only find one with a snare that doesn't fall on the 3rd beat (Hijak - Tears) so as to how "set in stone" it is...id say the majority of producers follow it

Tbf, that may say more about your tastes in dubstep than about dubstep as a whole. That may be what you like, but going through a stack of my favourite tunes I'd say maybe 50% or less of them have the snare on 3. So do what you like, really.

And while I'm not one of these "dancefloor tunes are uncreative maaaan, it's far more artistic to write 7/8 450bpm IDMcore that no more than three people will ever listen to" people, a DJ who gets scared and confused if you put a snare somewhere other than the third beat isn't a DJ I'd spend much time worrying about.

imo the snare falling on the third beat is what defines dubstep and separates it from the most similar styles to it, ie forms of garage, breakcore etc.
dubstep is of course evolving, and i dont want to get into an argument about pigeonholing, but it'd probably be hard for your tune to be accepted as dubstep if the snares were on 2 and 4 for the whole tune.

as a variation, like in skream's Loving Aint Easy or whatever its called, go for it.
and maybe if you tried something funny like really turning down your snares and having a really loud, distinct hat on the third?

Slothrop wrote: And while I'm not one of these "dancefloor tunes are uncreative maaaan, it's far more artistic to write 7/8 450bpm IDMcore that no more than three people will ever listen to" people, a DJ who gets scared and confused if you put a snare somewhere other than the third beat isn't a DJ I'd spend much time worrying about.

While a lot of people do just put the snare on the 3rd, (myself included) a lot of people are moving away from that and experiment a bit more.

but it'd probably be hard for your tune to be accepted as dubstep if the snares were on 2 and 4 for the whole tune.

I don't think this is true, maybe people with a narrow view of what dubstep is would think this.

Slothrop wrote:

bEErz wrote:going thru a list of about 100 of my recently added dubstep tunes in itunes i could only find one with a snare that doesn't fall on the 3rd beat (Hijak - Tears) so as to how "set in stone" it is...id say the majority of producers follow it

Tbf, that may say more about your tastes in dubstep than about dubstep as a whole. That may be what you like, but going through a stack of my favourite tunes I'd say maybe 50% or less of them have the snare on 3. So do what you like, really.

ye i spose it is...whiteboy marlow noah D orien rusko cluekid skream cotti jakes itchy robot 6blocc caspa clouds benga toasty boy darkstar distance were the main culprits to my claim. i guess if you like the different dubstep then you can do what you like in the sequencer.

BreakBait wrote: While a lot of people do just put the snare on the 3rd, (myself included)

beat me to it....was gona say summit about ur tunes being on the 3rd beat but u wer too quick

bEErz wrote:

BreakBait wrote: While a lot of people do just put the snare on the 3rd, (myself included)

beat me to it....was gona say summit about ur tunes being on the 3rd beat but u wer too quick

you got me, to be fair those tunes were all made about a year ago and I'm tryin to do different things atm. Whilst still having some tunes with the snare on 3rd.

d1rt1989 wrote:imo the snare falling on the third beat is what defines dubstep and separates it from the most similar styles to it, ie forms of garage, breakcore etc.
dubstep is of course evolving, and i dont want to get into an argument about pigeonholing, but it'd probably be hard for your tune to be accepted as dubstep if the snares were on 2 and 4 for the whole tune.

This is totally totally totally at odds with the the music I listen to. Some people prefer half step and some people prefer other beats, but to say that dubstep has to be halfstep and if it's not got a snare on the third it's not dubstep is just plain wrong. I mean, there are so, so many classic tunes by Kode 9, Mala, D1, Burial, Horsepower, El-B, Skream and so on that don't fit the halfstep template, not to mention newer stuff by TRG, 2562, Geiom, Dusk & Blackdown, Martyn...

As I say, if you prefer halfstep then that's cool, but if you think it defines dubstep then either you don't know much about the scene or it's history or you're using dubstep to mean something other than what it is.

Slothrop wrote:

d1rt1989 wrote:imo the snare falling on the third beat is what defines dubstep and separates it from the most similar styles to it, ie forms of garage, breakcore etc.
dubstep is of course evolving, and i dont want to get into an argument about pigeonholing, but it'd probably be hard for your tune to be accepted as dubstep if the snares were on 2 and 4 for the whole tune.

This is totally totally totally at odds with the the music I listen to. Some people prefer half step and some people prefer other beats, but to say that dubstep has to be halfstep and if it's not got a snare on the third it's not dubstep is just plain wrong. I mean, there are so, so many classic tunes by Kode 9, Mala, D1, Burial, Horsepower, El-B, Skream and so on that don't fit the halfstep template, not to mention newer stuff by TRG, 2562, Geiom, Dusk & Blackdown, Martyn...

As I say, if you prefer halfstep then that's cool, but if you think it defines dubstep then either you don't know much about the scene or it's history or you're using dubstep to mean something other than what it is.

i was messing around with a dubstep tune, half step beat, then put a breakbeat style drum pattern over the top.
interesting groove

i dunno if it would still be straight dubstep, but i was loving the swing of the groove. always best to experiment in my opinion

Still waiting for the next snare. Last estimated timing was approximately 2 hours and 42 minutes ago! If anyone has seen this snare please pm me.......

u could always just use a few layered claps...

snare goes here snare goes there blah blah blah

the only thing that defines dubstep is big bass and beats at around 138-140 Bpm

dubstep is so much more that half step wobblers

boring boring boring