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Running labels I've been dealing with a lot of backend dashboards for various digital sites for quite some time.
At one stage none of them had a 'Dubstep' genre section, however now most of them do, but they do not have a section for the upcoming sounds of Glitch-hop, Dub-hop, Glitch-step, Lazer Bass, Acid Crunk, Le Bonce etc or whatever else you want to call the bass driven stuff that mostly sits at 90BPM to 110 BPM stuff, and even drifts a little faster and slower than that at times.

I don't expect all websites to have micro-micro-genres listed, so I'm actually fine with these websites classifying dubstep, grime and even garage all together, often under one 'dubstep' genre banner.
But I'm curious how most of you guys on the boards feel about these 'midtempo' beats and that they are classified and charted along with Dubstep?

Many guys out west here in the US are mixing up their dubstep with these tempo's anyway and that's also due to the large amount of laptop performers out here, so punching up 10 - 20 BPM is easier.
I still DJ so don't do the laptop thing, but still switch up anything in the 65BPM to 140BPM, by either doing small increments, or using the CDJ wide pitching, or using a halftime to double time / vice verse in the mix.

I'm checking in on here about this mainly 'cos I'm still trying to figure out where to put a lot of the Muti Music stuff that we put out.
I saw two of our 100 BPM tracks in the Beatport 'Dubstep' top 100 last week and even though when we entered the info it was 'Grime' because one of them had a more 'hip-hop' influence, but all the Beatport 'Grime' get's charted under 'Dubstep' anyway. I found one site that classified much of these under Big-Beat, but the sound is so not the mid to late nineties 'Big Beat' sound that I don't think it fit.

So regarding these 'mid-tempo's':
Is everyone groovy with it?
Does it offend genre purists?
- if so what is your version of dubstep that is purist?
Also if I mention a release on here that is not 70 / 140 BPM, but is classifed on most websites under 'Dubstep - Grime' will their be purists telling me not to post it here ?

What is your feeling in general about the crunky lazer bass and whompy steppy stuff?

For those not familiar with these genres check out these artists for 'Lazer Bass / Glitch Hop / Psyphe / Le Bonce': Glitch Mob (and each of the mob as solo artists too Kraddy, Ooah, edIT, Boreta), Megasoid, Ghislain Poirier, DJ C, Vibesquad, Eprom, Mimosa, Modeselektor, Siriusmo, Chris de Luca & Phon.O etc

Acid Crunk, Glitch-step, Dub-hop, Whomp-step etc artists include: An-ten-nae, Bassnectar, Ill Gates, Heyoka, Nanda, Timonkey, Subvert (also Excision & Subvert), Meesha, Taal Mala.
In a class of his own or maybe under 'Glitch -Step': is Layerz also known as Audiovoid, maybe along with him would be Neil Landstrumm, Boxcutter, Ital Tek, Si Begg etc
Also guys like Kode 9 have expressed interest in the US mid-tempo scene and vibe.

Of course the genre lines get blurred and many of these guys do straight up 70 BPM wobbly bass 'dubstep' too.
And I also noticed that many of our US midtempo guys are being booked in the UK to play the same rooms as UK dubstep guys and the breakbeat / electro house etc is in a separate room.

Your thoughts ?

In my experience Yanks pay more attention to genre classifications than us Limeys. Indeed, I often find myself having to counsel distraught American posters on the imdb.com music boards who give themselves psoriasis of the brain trying to decide whether a track is, like, High Chapparal bloodclaat skiffle or some new slant on ambient punk. My suggestion is this: give up. Trying to find names for each type of bleepy rasp and sub-aquatic sonic shimmer is like trying to map Google Earth: by the time you've got to the South Pole, some tnuc in Norway has built an extension onto their conservatory and you've got to start again.

Good call on Modeselektor though, and especially DJ C. The tracks he's done with Zulu, and the remix of Gregory Isaacs he put out a couple of years ago, are still giving me classy high-end thrills.

In the meantime, I look forward to perusing the 'whump-step' section down at WH Smith.

It's all music! I play anything with a jungle/Metalheadz influence that i can here... (well maybe not influence but vibe) but most new music coming with the vibe i want is classified as dubstep and at 140 bpm so thats what i play and buy mostly (i would say 9/10 of my collection is dubstep) along with older metalheadz/ guy called gerald DNB.

so im sure DJs would get the same vibe from Zomby as this stuff - so if it fits the vibe then play it - classification in shops doesn't matter to me because i go to record shops and ask the workers ot pick me stuff out

Nitrous_McBread wrote:
In the meantime, I look forward to perusing the 'whump-step' section down at WH Smith.

hah, both your post and signature made me laugh.

thanks for the input, I'm happy to hear guys hear are just feeling what moves them and not bothering with purism
Re: DJ C and the stuff with Zulu, I'm a big fan of Zulu as an MC, some really dope anthem type stuff he comes out with at times.
The tracks Ghislain Poirier did with Zulu and also with Face-T are some of my favorite tracks of his.

I really don't reckon it matters unless it's "High Chapparal bloodclaat skiffle" which i'm all for.

Dov wrote: The tracks Ghislain Poirier did with Zulu and also with Face-T are some of my favorite tracks of his.

Totally unaware of these, thanks for the pointers, will have to go and find 'em now.

I need some 'whump-step' lol

so then should release posts about more 90 - 110 shizzle be posted in the 'Other' section or here ?

Dov wrote:Running labels I've been dealing with a lot of backend dashboards for various digital sites for quite some time.
At one stage none of them had a 'Dubstep' genre section, however now most of them do, but they do not have a section for the upcoming sounds of Glitch-hop, Dub-hop, Glitch-step, Lazer Bass, Acid Crunk, Le Bonce etc or whatever else you want to call the bass driven stuff that mostly sits at 90BPM to 110 BPM stuff, and even drifts a little faster and slower than that at times.

I don't expect all websites to have micro-micro-genres listed, so I'm actually fine with these websites classifying dubstep, grime and even garage all together, often under one 'dubstep' genre banner.
But I'm curious how most of you guys on the boards feel about these 'midtempo' beats and that they are classified and charted along with Dubstep?

Many guys out west here in the US are mixing up their dubstep with these tempo's anyway and that's also due to the large amount of laptop performers out here, so punching up 10 - 20 BPM is easier.
I still DJ so don't do the laptop thing, but still switch up anything in the 65BPM to 140BPM, by either doing small increments, or using the CDJ wide pitching, or using a halftime to double time / vice verse in the mix.

I'm checking in on here about this mainly 'cos I'm still trying to figure out where to put a lot of the Muti Music stuff that we put out.
I saw two of our 100 BPM tracks in the Beatport 'Dubstep' top 100 last week and even though when we entered the info it was 'Grime' because one of them had a more 'hip-hop' influence, but all the Beatport 'Grime' get's charted under 'Dubstep' anyway. I found one site that classified much of these under Big-Beat, but the sound is so not the mid to late nineties 'Big Beat' sound that I don't think it fit.

So regarding these 'mid-tempo's':
Is everyone groovy with it?
Does it offend genre purists?
- if so what is your version of dubstep that is purist?
Also if I mention a release on here that is not 70 / 140 BPM, but is classifed on most websites under 'Dubstep - Grime' will their be purists telling me not to post it here ?

What is your feeling in general about the crunky lazer bass and whompy steppy stuff?

For those not familiar with these genres check out these artists for 'Lazer Bass / Glitch Hop / Psyphe / Le Bonce': Glitch Mob (and each of the mob as solo artists too Kraddy, Ooah, edIT, Boreta), Megasoid, Ghislain Poirier, DJ C, Vibesquad, Eprom, Mimosa, Modeselektor, Siriusmo, Chris de Luca & Phon.O etc

Acid Crunk, Glitch-step, Dub-hop, Whomp-step etc artists include: An-ten-nae, Bassnectar, Ill Gates, Heyoka, Nanda, Timonkey, Subvert (also Excision & Subvert), Meesha, Taal Mala.
In a class of his own or maybe under 'Glitch -Step': is Layerz also known as Audiovoid, maybe along with him would be Neil Landstrumm, Boxcutter, Ital Tek, Si Begg etc
Also guys like Kode 9 have expressed interest in the US mid-tempo scene and vibe.

Of course the genre lines get blurred and many of these guys do straight up 70 BPM wobbly bass 'dubstep' too.
And I also noticed that many of our US midtempo guys are being booked in the UK to play the same rooms as UK dubstep guys and the breakbeat / electro house etc is in a separate room.

Your thoughts ?

Mate... I understand your thoughts... I know that you have some doubts... But... Music is music... It's raw expression... True artists don't bother with names... Just leave this job to history...

It's useless to put genres in jails... Today these divisions are falling to the ground... Just listen to any Mary Anne Hobbs show... Let history say what is this or that... Or nothing at all... Artists are really fighting with creativity these divisions...

I bet Moritz Von Oswald and Mark Ernestus didn't first appeared saying... "Hi, we do germanic Dub Techno and you can beatmatch this around 120 BPM!"... People just fall in love with music... Can you label Burial? Flying Lotus? It's pure craziness...

If your aim is to sell things to people who are searching for this or that... I'm very sad... Truly... God bless Laurent Garnier!

Tranquera wrote:Can you label Burial? Flying Lotus?

Burial = Neo-temperate Snack-Saloncore
Flying Lotus = Alaskan Sniffbeat.

Nitrous_McBread wrote:

Tranquera wrote:Can you label Burial? Flying Lotus?

Burial = Neo-temperate Snack-Saloncore
Flying Lotus = Alaskan Sniffbeat.

Hehehehehehehe...

Tranquera wrote:

Dov wrote:Running labels I've been dealing with a lot of backend dashboards for various digital sites for quite some time.
At one stage none of them had a 'Dubstep' genre section, however now most of them do, but they do not have a section for the upcoming sounds of Glitch-hop, Dub-hop, Glitch-step, Lazer Bass, Acid Crunk, Le Bonce etc or whatever else you want to call the bass driven stuff that mostly sits at 90BPM to 110 BPM stuff, and even drifts a little faster and slower than that at times.

I don't expect all websites to have micro-micro-genres listed, so I'm actually fine with these websites classifying dubstep, grime and even garage all together, often under one 'dubstep' genre banner.
But I'm curious how most of you guys on the boards feel about these 'midtempo' beats and that they are classified and charted along with Dubstep?

Many guys out west here in the US are mixing up their dubstep with these tempo's anyway and that's also due to the large amount of laptop performers out here, so punching up 10 - 20 BPM is easier.
I still DJ so don't do the laptop thing, but still switch up anything in the 65BPM to 140BPM, by either doing small increments, or using the CDJ wide pitching, or using a halftime to double time / vice verse in the mix.

I'm checking in on here about this mainly 'cos I'm still trying to figure out where to put a lot of the Muti Music stuff that we put out.
I saw two of our 100 BPM tracks in the Beatport 'Dubstep' top 100 last week and even though when we entered the info it was 'Grime' because one of them had a more 'hip-hop' influence, but all the Beatport 'Grime' get's charted under 'Dubstep' anyway. I found one site that classified much of these under Big-Beat, but the sound is so not the mid to late nineties 'Big Beat' sound that I don't think it fit.

So regarding these 'mid-tempo's':
Is everyone groovy with it?
Does it offend genre purists?
- if so what is your version of dubstep that is purist?
Also if I mention a release on here that is not 70 / 140 BPM, but is classifed on most websites under 'Dubstep - Grime' will their be purists telling me not to post it here ?

What is your feeling in general about the crunky lazer bass and whompy steppy stuff?

For those not familiar with these genres check out these artists for 'Lazer Bass / Glitch Hop / Psyphe / Le Bonce': Glitch Mob (and each of the mob as solo artists too Kraddy, Ooah, edIT, Boreta), Megasoid, Ghislain Poirier, DJ C, Vibesquad, Eprom, Mimosa, Modeselektor, Siriusmo, Chris de Luca & Phon.O etc

Acid Crunk, Glitch-step, Dub-hop, Whomp-step etc artists include: An-ten-nae, Bassnectar, Ill Gates, Heyoka, Nanda, Timonkey, Subvert (also Excision & Subvert), Meesha, Taal Mala.
In a class of his own or maybe under 'Glitch -Step': is Layerz also known as Audiovoid, maybe along with him would be Neil Landstrumm, Boxcutter, Ital Tek, Si Begg etc
Also guys like Kode 9 have expressed interest in the US mid-tempo scene and vibe.

Of course the genre lines get blurred and many of these guys do straight up 70 BPM wobbly bass 'dubstep' too.
And I also noticed that many of our US midtempo guys are being booked in the UK to play the same rooms as UK dubstep guys and the breakbeat / electro house etc is in a separate room.

Your thoughts ?

Mate... I understand your thoughts... I know that you have some doubts... But... Music is music... It's raw expression... True artists don't bother with names... Just leave this job to history...

It's useless to put genres in jails... Today these divisions are falling to the ground... Just listen to any Mary Anne Hobbs show... Let history say what is this or that... Or nothing at all... Artists are really fighting with creativity these divisions...

I bet Moritz Von Oswald and Mark Ernestus didn't first appeared saying... "Hi, we do germanic Dub Techno and you can beatmatch this around 120 BPM!"... People just fall in love with music... Can you label Burial? Flying Lotus? It's pure craziness...

If your aim is to sell things to people who are searching for this or that... I'm very sad... Truly... God bless Laurent Garnier!

?? some nice thoughts but I think you missed my primary point entirely.
These were my questions:
Is everyone groovy with it ?
- This was regarding posting other tempo's with similar dub vibe.
Does it offend genre purists?
- I think the consensus seems to be , No.

This one I'm still not sure on the answer:
If I mention a release on here that is not 70 / 140 BPM, but is classifed on most websites under 'Dubstep - Grime' will their be purists telling me not to post it here ?
and
- should I post things by guys like DJ C, Ghislain Poirier, Ill gates, Glitch Mob etc on this section or in "other" which is a section of this forum ?

I don't want to post releases here that the consensus does not want on here.
I otherwise declare my love for many sounds and they don't even need names
The questions I'm asking are not because of my view on what genres should or should not be they are questions so as to be polite and not piss of admin on a forum

Dov wrote:

Tranquera wrote:

Dov wrote:Running labels I've been dealing with a lot of backend dashboards for various digital sites for quite some time.
At one stage none of them had a 'Dubstep' genre section, however now most of them do, but they do not have a section for the upcoming sounds of Glitch-hop, Dub-hop, Glitch-step, Lazer Bass, Acid Crunk, Le Bonce etc or whatever else you want to call the bass driven stuff that mostly sits at 90BPM to 110 BPM stuff, and even drifts a little faster and slower than that at times.

I don't expect all websites to have micro-micro-genres listed, so I'm actually fine with these websites classifying dubstep, grime and even garage all together, often under one 'dubstep' genre banner.
But I'm curious how most of you guys on the boards feel about these 'midtempo' beats and that they are classified and charted along with Dubstep?

Many guys out west here in the US are mixing up their dubstep with these tempo's anyway and that's also due to the large amount of laptop performers out here, so punching up 10 - 20 BPM is easier.
I still DJ so don't do the laptop thing, but still switch up anything in the 65BPM to 140BPM, by either doing small increments, or using the CDJ wide pitching, or using a halftime to double time / vice verse in the mix.

I'm checking in on here about this mainly 'cos I'm still trying to figure out where to put a lot of the Muti Music stuff that we put out.
I saw two of our 100 BPM tracks in the Beatport 'Dubstep' top 100 last week and even though when we entered the info it was 'Grime' because one of them had a more 'hip-hop' influence, but all the Beatport 'Grime' get's charted under 'Dubstep' anyway. I found one site that classified much of these under Big-Beat, but the sound is so not the mid to late nineties 'Big Beat' sound that I don't think it fit.

So regarding these 'mid-tempo's':
Is everyone groovy with it?
Does it offend genre purists?
- if so what is your version of dubstep that is purist?
Also if I mention a release on here that is not 70 / 140 BPM, but is classifed on most websites under 'Dubstep - Grime' will their be purists telling me not to post it here ?

What is your feeling in general about the crunky lazer bass and whompy steppy stuff?

For those not familiar with these genres check out these artists for 'Lazer Bass / Glitch Hop / Psyphe / Le Bonce': Glitch Mob (and each of the mob as solo artists too Kraddy, Ooah, edIT, Boreta), Megasoid, Ghislain Poirier, DJ C, Vibesquad, Eprom, Mimosa, Modeselektor, Siriusmo, Chris de Luca & Phon.O etc

Acid Crunk, Glitch-step, Dub-hop, Whomp-step etc artists include: An-ten-nae, Bassnectar, Ill Gates, Heyoka, Nanda, Timonkey, Subvert (also Excision & Subvert), Meesha, Taal Mala.
In a class of his own or maybe under 'Glitch -Step': is Layerz also known as Audiovoid, maybe along with him would be Neil Landstrumm, Boxcutter, Ital Tek, Si Begg etc
Also guys like Kode 9 have expressed interest in the US mid-tempo scene and vibe.

Of course the genre lines get blurred and many of these guys do straight up 70 BPM wobbly bass 'dubstep' too.
And I also noticed that many of our US midtempo guys are being booked in the UK to play the same rooms as UK dubstep guys and the breakbeat / electro house etc is in a separate room.

Your thoughts ?

Mate... I understand your thoughts... I know that you have some doubts... But... Music is music... It's raw expression... True artists don't bother with names... Just leave this job to history...

It's useless to put genres in jails... Today these divisions are falling to the ground... Just listen to any Mary Anne Hobbs show... Let history say what is this or that... Or nothing at all... Artists are really fighting with creativity these divisions...

I bet Moritz Von Oswald and Mark Ernestus didn't first appeared saying... "Hi, we do germanic Dub Techno and you can beatmatch this around 120 BPM!"... People just fall in love with music... Can you label Burial? Flying Lotus? It's pure craziness...

If your aim is to sell things to people who are searching for this or that... I'm very sad... Truly... God bless Laurent Garnier!

?? some nice thoughts but I think you missed my primary point entirely.
These were my questions:
Is everyone groovy with it ?
- This was regarding posting other tempo's with similar dub vibe.
Does it offend genre purists?
- I think the consensus seems to be , No.

This one I'm still not sure on the answer:
If I mention a release on here that is not 70 / 140 BPM, but is classifed on most websites under 'Dubstep - Grime' will their be purists telling me not to post it here ?
and
- should I post things by guys like DJ C, Ghislain Poirier, Ill gates, Glitch Mob etc on this section or in "other" which is a section of this forum ?

I don't want to post releases here that the consensus does not want on here.
I otherwise declare my love for many sounds and they don't even need names
The questions I'm asking are not because of my view on what genres should or should not be they are questions so as to be polite and not piss of admin on a forum

I think you should try at least one time... Maybe you have an interesting sound... Or... Maybe you could point some interesting artist... Who knows? If something don't fit this forum people will warn the mods... I don't think this place is full of haters... Generally people are open to new sounds here... Like that "Deathstep" thread... Entirely weird... Hehehehe... You're welcome too...

Tranquera wrote:
I think you should try at least one time... Maybe you have an interesting sound... Or... Maybe you could point some interesting artist... Who knows? If something don't fit this forum people will warn the mods... I don't think this place is full of haters... Generally people are open to new sounds here... Like that "Deathstep" thread... Entirely weird... Hehehehe... You're welcome too...

Thanks man, there are good vibes here

Hey Dov! I love your stuff! I listened to your remember track a while back on music.download.com

Dov wrote:Running labels I've been dealing with a lot of backend dashboards for various digital sites for quite some time.
At one stage none of them had a 'Dubstep' genre section, however now most of them do, but they do not have a section for the upcoming sounds of Glitch-hop, Dub-hop, Glitch-step, Lazer Bass, Acid Crunk, Le Bonce etc or whatever else you want to call the bass driven stuff that mostly sits at 90BPM to 110 BPM stuff, and even drifts a little faster and slower than that at times.

I don't expect all websites to have micro-micro-genres listed, so I'm actually fine with these websites classifying dubstep, grime and even garage all together, often under one 'dubstep' genre banner.
But I'm curious how most of you guys on the boards feel about these 'midtempo' beats and that they are classified and charted along with Dubstep?

Many guys out west here in the US are mixing up their dubstep with these tempo's anyway and that's also due to the large amount of laptop performers out here, so punching up 10 - 20 BPM is easier.
I still DJ so don't do the laptop thing, but still switch up anything in the 65BPM to 140BPM, by either doing small increments, or using the CDJ wide pitching, or using a halftime to double time / vice verse in the mix.

I'm checking in on here about this mainly 'cos I'm still trying to figure out where to put a lot of the Muti Music stuff that we put out.
I saw two of our 100 BPM tracks in the Beatport 'Dubstep' top 100 last week and even though when we entered the info it was 'Grime' because one of them had a more 'hip-hop' influence, but all the Beatport 'Grime' get's charted under 'Dubstep' anyway. I found one site that classified much of these under Big-Beat, but the sound is so not the mid to late nineties 'Big Beat' sound that I don't think it fit.

So regarding these 'mid-tempo's':
Is everyone groovy with it?
Does it offend genre purists?
- if so what is your version of dubstep that is purist?
Also if I mention a release on here that is not 70 / 140 BPM, but is classifed on most websites under 'Dubstep - Grime' will their be purists telling me not to post it here ?

What is your feeling in general about the crunky lazer bass and whompy steppy stuff?

For those not familiar with these genres check out these artists for 'Lazer Bass / Glitch Hop / Psyphe / Le Bonce': Glitch Mob (and each of the mob as solo artists too Kraddy, Ooah, edIT, Boreta), Megasoid, Ghislain Poirier, DJ C, Vibesquad, Eprom, Mimosa, Modeselektor, Siriusmo, Chris de Luca & Phon.O etc

Acid Crunk, Glitch-step, Dub-hop, Whomp-step etc artists include: An-ten-nae, Bassnectar, Ill Gates, Heyoka, Nanda, Timonkey, Subvert (also Excision & Subvert), Meesha, Taal Mala.
In a class of his own or maybe under 'Glitch -Step': is Layerz also known as Audiovoid, maybe along with him would be Neil Landstrumm, Boxcutter, Ital Tek, Si Begg etc
Also guys like Kode 9 have expressed interest in the US mid-tempo scene and vibe.

Of course the genre lines get blurred and many of these guys do straight up 70 BPM wobbly bass 'dubstep' too.
And I also noticed that many of our US midtempo guys are being booked in the UK to play the same rooms as UK dubstep guys and the breakbeat / electro house etc is in a separate room.

Your thoughts ?

hey dave,odeed here:
i was told that some of our dubstep songs have to much breakbeat and not enough dubstep sound to them.so we are starting a new genre....
NUSTEP!
bunch it in with acid-hop.

p.s.
if ya care to hear some hit me up on the p.m.

LAZER BASS has me pretty intrigued.

dubstepjustin wrote:Hey Dov! I love your stuff! I listened to your remember track a while back on music.download.com

oh shit , that was from 2002 / 2003 - hopefully I've improved since then

hd4000 wrote: hey dave,odeed here:
i was told that some of our dubstep songs have to much breakbeat and not enough dubstep sound to them.so we are starting a new genre....
NUSTEP!
bunch it in with acid-hop.

p.s.
if ya care to hear some hit me up on the p.m.

hah, how's it going man, I've been digging your HD4000 bits, fusing some oldskool Hip Hop vibes with the dubs , or is that the Nustep ?

Hey Dov. So personally I tend to classify the Lazer Bass stuff as Glitch period. I think Rustie Glitch Mob Flying Lotus all that stuff can all fall under Glitch and has elements of Lazer Bass Gltich Hop etc. If I find a Glitch like track in with the Dubstep it better be 138 or more. I think Back in the day we could even call that stuff LEFTFIELD or even NU-IDM or Big Beat or even Nu-Downtempo because again the tempo is the definer to me.