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Poll:Vinyl, what do you think? A dieing trend?
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:59 pm
by hysteria
What do you think?
(Im sure this probably has been discussed before, but havent come across a thread of it)
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:09 pm
by kindofblue272
IMO it won't die because of the turntablists. it's an instrument now. you might as well expect the clarinet to die.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:11 pm
by jolly wailer
if anything vinyl has been on the steady upswing particularly with major labels. the re-issue of Miles Davis's Kind of Blue was put out on vinyl..
At a lower level, there is a whole community of mastering and cutting houses that keep it alive despite the dictates of markets and trends
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:14 pm
by hysteria
Mate i've been loyal to records since i started mixing,
but with distribution companies printing less an less, and cdj equipment getting cheaper and in basically all the clubs now.
Also with the clear fact that an mp3 dl cost 99p and a cdr costing like 10p, compayed to a 5.99 record.
All i can see is death for vinyl
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:18 pm
by jolly wailer
didn't really question your loyalty
I'm saying as long as there is some nut out there with a nuemann lathe there's gonna be plates
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:23 pm
by hysteria
Yeh but what worries me is not being able to pick up the tunes i want on vinyl, cause they'll be so few pressings etc
AND NOTHING pisses me off more than not being able to get a tune i want on record!
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:23 pm
by samsupa
New Vinyl releases + WAV/MP3+Serato =
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:24 pm
by Littlefoot
kindofblue272 wrote:IMO it won't die because of the turntablists. it's an instrument now. you might as well expect the clarinet to die.
its 100% the only medium for me listening wise.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:29 pm
by thinking
kindofblue272 wrote:IMO it won't die because of the turntablists.
turntablists will ensure vinyl's longevity?? Nah, they make up a miniscule percentage of vinyl-buyers.
It's already on its way out in a general sense. Ask anyone who's into (for example) house music - there are lots of big underground labels which are phasing out their vinyl production, if they haven't already done so. Digital is so much easier, the costs are minimal, the profit margins are higher, there's no additional cost to sell worldwide....
However, Hiphop, DnB and Dubstep are vinyl-based formats as it's part of the culture, so for the time being we'll continue to see vinyl releases coming out every week. However, DnB vinyl sales on have been in decline for years - whilst dubstep is on the up - it's only a matter of time before it all stops (I'm thinking maybe 5 years).
Sad but true.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:45 pm
by tes la rok
Hard to imagine someone sellin DMZ01 MP3 or CD on ebay and askin 50 pounds.
Good vinyl(s) can be investment. Many of my oldskool records more expensive now than back in a days. Is this possible with MP3s or CDs?
Vinyl is so much more than just vinyl. It's a physical item. A lot people collect them.. So far with MP3s this is not possible.. Maybe in the future.
Right now I don't see vinyl dying. I actually think vinyl is lot stronger than coupla years back.
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:35 am
by Tangka
@ People that consider vinyl dying a possibility.
i can see it rising in price but that's about it.
some people can enjoy listening to digital tunes just fine.
I personally have trouble enjoying digital files in the first place. I mean, I make my tunes in digital, and I buy some digital tunes (barely) but this is all just to scrape by a listen that is not really truly enjoyed.
I record music to tapes for christ sake. ok.
There are more like me.
We will carry it to our grave.
REALIZE THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL
.
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:45 am
by Sharmaji
vinyl has shrunk, obviously, but not nearly at the rate that cd's have. thus, vinyl's market share is ever-growing, albeit slowly, and albeit in an ever-shrinking market.
it's a niche thing and at this point, it will never grow beyond that but the devotion at the niche level is really, really strong. Of course, getting it MADE is a different story all together-- internationally, plants are closing left and right.
in 5 years you'll be able to kiss probably 80-90% of cd's goodbye, but probably only 25% of the currently-manufactured vinyl-- if that.
either way, buying records rules. it's a culture and a process. live it up!
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:04 pm
by hysteria
lol it sounds as if people think i dont like vinyl
In my whole life i've bought one cd album which costed £10, no lie, i have only bought one cd in my life.
and have over £700 worth of records
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:32 pm
by kwality
ThinKing is on the money as always. Turntablists have leapt onto Serato harder than what you'd think (just check the amount of big names who've legitimised it, not to mention now dudes can create their own wiki-wiki-sounds).
Dj's from genres outside of dnb/dubstep have also pretty much given up on wax (I worked for a vinyl distributor years ago and the writing was clearly on the wall) as their major format and I can't see any resurgence happening any time soon. The one thing that has helped vinyl sales is all the indie kids who've rediscovered it. The old dudes have always been into it, but they're not out there buying new 12's, they're fiending for ultra rare psych triple albums that are on the decently lucrative second hand market.
As for Miles still being pressed? The major label stuff has never been out of print. The difference is that those records have already made their money a thousand times over - very different to 300 whites that have to sell to even break even.
I love vinyl, always will. I've given numerous people turntables so they can enjoy it too, go digging regularly and buy plenty of wax. But when you think of the diminishing returns to press it, the weight to ship it, the environmental issues and storage issues it's not hard to be pessimistic. Wax will always be around in one way or another but it will become even more niche I think. A shame really, and the only thing you can do is actually buy more wax.
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:22 pm
by devious_n4ture
Earthling wrote: @ People that consider vinyl dying a possibility.
i can see it rising in price but that's about it.
some people can enjoy listening to digital tunes just fine.
I personally have trouble enjoying digital files in the first place. I mean, I make my tunes in digital, and I buy some digital tunes (barely) but this is all just to scrape by a listen that is not really truly enjoyed.
I record music to tapes for christ sake. ok.
There are more like me.
We will carry it to our grave.
REALIZE THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL
.
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:50 pm
by veil
Give me a piece of vinyl with a cracking tune and a cracking sleeve and an mp3 for convenience and I'm happy. I really think vinyl sales will increase as people realise they no longer have any real objects in their music collection to hold and marvel at whilst they listen to the tunes. SLEEVES and the OBJECT will win out...
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:59 pm
by fused_forces
tes la rok wrote:Vinyl is so much more than just vinyl. It's a physical item. A lot people collect them...
For real, have spent so much doe over the years on wax, an dont regret a penny, sooo many classics that money cant buy.
Long live vinyl!!!
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:43 am
by efa
ThinKing wrote:t's only a matter of time before it all stops (I'm thinking maybe 5 years).
Sad but true.
I was saying the same thing to some D&B heads (same timescale as well) but they wouldn't have it.
I really don't wanna see it happen at all but at the rate plants are closing the costs will continue to rise esp if we lose ALL UK plants - That with coupled with fuel increases we're gonna see over the coming years is going to hit wax hard!
Digital based manipulation mediums are only going to get better and once mixer, CDJ or Scratch manufactures start playing with hardware to add valve or some kind of analogue processing to fatten up digital audio we may have some competition.
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:32 am
by djshiva
even as a proud ableton user (but a vinyl head for over a decade), i think vinyl will stay strong. while there may be a downswing in some due to the economy and fuel prices and the high price of vinyl, the collectibility factor (and the joy of cracking open the plastic on that brand spankin' new tune) will not fade.
vinyl has survived through many different mediums (8track, tape, cd, mp3) and there will always be a niche market for it.
i personally cannot afford it anymore, and have changed up my methods of presenting the music, but there's room for all of it, and vinyl will stay strong. there may come a time when it will be more trading of old records than always new releases, but it is still a collector's thing and i reckon will continue to be.
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:23 am
by geiom
Earthling wrote: @ People that consider vinyl dying a possibility.
i can see it rising in price but that's about it.
some people can enjoy listening to digital tunes just fine.
I personally have trouble enjoying digital files in the first place. I mean, I make my tunes in digital, and I buy some digital tunes (barely) but this is all just to scrape by a listen that is not really truly enjoyed.
I record music to tapes for christ sake. ok.
There are more like me.
We will carry it to our grave.
REALIZE THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL
.
big up the C90 mandem !
