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When people talk about the wobble bass is this the same as the sub bass or is the sub bass just low wobble bass, or do some tunes make the sub bass wobble and some leave it alone.

the reason I ask is the wobble bass seems to go to a very low freq. to now be the sub aswell?

Wobble is just the technique of how to get the sound to make that 'wob' sound..it can be any frequency you please....

Most people, least one I know will layer bass with a mid wobble and a sub wobble.

Sub wobble would normally be a sine wave at around 40-50 Hz which would repeat the same chords as the mid-range bass wobble. The only difference being that with a sub wobble there is no point in assigning the LFO to a low pass filter because the sound is too low for any difference to be heard so it is assigned to volume instead.
This is the average thing done and not set in stone.

Junglist wrote:Sub wobble would normally be a sine wave at around 40-50 Hz which would repeat the same chords as the mid-range bass wobble. The only difference being that with a sub wobble there is no point in assigning the LFO to a low pass filter because the sound is too low for any difference to be heard so it is assigned to volume instead.
This is the average thing done and not set in stone.

Pretty spot on introduction to it right there

Wub wrote:

Junglist wrote:Sub wobble would normally be a sine wave at around 40-50 Hz which would repeat the same chords as the mid-range bass wobble. The only difference being that with a sub wobble there is no point in assigning the LFO to a low pass filter because the sound is too low for any difference to be heard so it is assigned to volume instead.
This is the average thing done and not set in stone.

Pretty spot on introduction to it right there

Thanks, me and Deadly Habit are working on a Wobble Guide at the moment which should be in the new Production Guide soon. Should actually be a clear guide rather than a page full of links to repetitive threads.

WOBBLE GUIDE FOUND HERE:
http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=67507

Thanks! that clears it up

Junglist wrote:

Wub wrote:

Junglist wrote:Sub wobble would normally be a sine wave at around 40-50 Hz which would repeat the same chords as the mid-range bass wobble. The only difference being that with a sub wobble there is no point in assigning the LFO to a low pass filter because the sound is too low for any difference to be heard so it is assigned to volume instead.
This is the average thing done and not set in stone.

Pretty spot on introduction to it right there

Thanks, me and Deadly Habit are working on a Wobble Guide at the moment which should be in the new Production Guide soon. Should actually be a clear guide rather than a page full of links to repetitive threads.

One thing - There shouldn't be any chords in a bassline

glottis5 wrote:

Junglist wrote:

Wub wrote:

Junglist wrote:Sub wobble would normally be a sine wave at around 40-50 Hz which would repeat the same chords as the mid-range bass wobble. The only difference being that with a sub wobble there is no point in assigning the LFO to a low pass filter because the sound is too low for any difference to be heard so it is assigned to volume instead.
This is the average thing done and not set in stone.

Pretty spot on introduction to it right there

Thanks, me and Deadly Habit are working on a Wobble Guide at the moment which should be in the new Production Guide soon. Should actually be a clear guide rather than a page full of links to repetitive threads.

One thing - There shouldn't be any chords in a bassline

Sorry if I wasn't clear, I was referring to chord progression; as in the progression of chords in the MIDI sequencer from C to F for example.

Thanks for your help everyone!

An easy option to get a powerful subbass is to take a 808 kick sample, put it in your favorite sampler and loop a single cycle of the waverform somewhere in the middle of the sample. The 808 kick is made of a sine and added noise. The sine gives your sub that rattling low end pressure, and the noise adds some more grittiness...

jobbanaught wrote:An easy option to get a powerful subbass is to take a 808 kick sample, put it in your favorite sampler and loop a single cycle of the waverform somewhere in the middle of the sample. The 808 kick is made of a sine and added noise. The sine gives your sub that rattling low end pressure, and the noise adds some more grittiness...

Valley of the Shadows by Origin Unknown uses only an 808 sample pitched down for it's Bass!

Yeah, loved that one back in the days. Been selling old vinyl lately, but could not give anway this little gem

jobbanaught wrote:Yeah, loved that one back in the days. Been selling old vinyl lately, but could not give anway this little gem

Yeah, apparently Andy C's still pressing that tune, 5000 out a few months ago. Big tune, started a dubstep remix of it a while back and never got round to finishing it.

Gotta love the old skool tho.

Junglist wrote: Gotta love the old skool tho.

Jap, no represses here....

Junglist wrote:

jobbanaught wrote:An easy option to get a powerful subbass is to take a 808 kick sample, put it in your favorite sampler and loop a single cycle of the waverform somewhere in the middle of the sample. The 808 kick is made of a sine and added noise. The sine gives your sub that rattling low end pressure, and the noise adds some more grittiness...

Valley of the Shadows by Origin Unknown uses only an 808 sample pitched down for it's Bass!

breakage once said on a doa q&a that he pretty much only uses 808s for sub bass.. couple of years ago now though

nedklic wrote:

Junglist wrote:

jobbanaught wrote:An easy option to get a powerful subbass is to take a 808 kick sample, put it in your favorite sampler and loop a single cycle of the waverform somewhere in the middle of the sample. The 808 kick is made of a sine and added noise. The sine gives your sub that rattling low end pressure, and the noise adds some more grittiness...

Valley of the Shadows by Origin Unknown uses only an 808 sample pitched down for it's Bass!

breakage once said on a doa q&a that he pretty much only uses 808s for sub bass.. couple of years ago now though

Yeah, alot of old school Drum & Bass / Jungle uses 808's for subs and low end pretty much due to the fact that synths weren't as common as they are now and 808 were really popular back then. Hip Hop still uses the 808 though, probably because it likes to stick to it roots. Especially a lot of west coast rap.

I don't think 808's really have much use imo due to the fact that a sine wave will do me fine.

Junglist wrote:I don't think 808's really have much use imo due to the fact that a sine wave will do me fine.

HUH??

808's are awesome for sub freq's

808 kickdrums are often the source for sub bass freqs in alot of tunes

then they just have the midrage synth sounds performing alot of the action

FSTZ wrote:

Junglist wrote:I don't think 808's really have much use imo due to the fact that a sine wave will do me fine.

HUH??

808's are awesome for sub freq's

808 kickdrums are often the source for sub bass freqs in alot of tunes

then they just have the midrage synth sounds performing alot of the action

Yeah 808's are great for everything from dubstep to hip hop to jungle, I just don't (in my opinion) see the point for them nowadays, because if I wanted a deep bass that hit 60Hz then I would load up Albino with a blank Sine wave and use that. And I am aware that that they are used in loads of songs and genres as you can see by my posts in a few thread on this forum. However personally I see no use for them in my work... I don't dislike the 808 kick, I use it in my songs, but don't use it as a sub.

Ur perfectly right, for a pure sub a sine is all you need. But if u use the 808 sample for sub, you can achieve lots of different results with only a small effort (im a lazy person ). Try looping one and a half cycles from the waveform for example, gives u some HUGE Bass with lots of nasty mid-range frequencies as well. Another fun option is to automate/modulate the loop end point to let your sound evolve over time. Have been experimenting with this just last night and fear my neighbours dont like the result very much

jobbanaught wrote:Ur perfectly right, for a pure sub a sine is all you need. But if u use the 808 sample for sub, you can achieve lots of different results with only a small effort (im a lazy person ). Try looping one and a half cycles from the waveform for example, gives u some HUGE Bass with lots of nasty mid-range frequencies as well. Another fun option is to automate/modulate the loop end point to let your sound evolve over time. Have been experimenting with this just last night and fear my neighbours dont like the result very much

I might try that later on, working on a jungle influenced dubstep track atm so a nice 808 sub might sound nice.