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Flying Lotus - sHHH! EP

Must have for the arsenal.

$tunt$ is still one of my fav tunes. pity its so short.

every time ive heard it played out live , even by flying lotus himself, or in a studio mix, it always gets cut off at the best part

big ep

Not trying to get anyone in trouble... I just want to be sure before I download it...

Is this legit? Cool to snag this and play it out? Some sick remixes on there that will definatly get some play if so.

tacospheros wrote:$tunt$ is still one of my fav tunes. pity its so short.

every time ive heard it played out live , even by flying lotus himself, or in a studio mix, it always gets cut off at the best part

yeh man one of my favourite tunes atm

I doubt it will see a repress and they are bootlegs after all, but still - I don't understand blogs that do this, what exactly are you gaining from illegally sharing music on your blog?

I know theres a argument for it as good promo and, in fact, I usually am in agreement with this. But I don't think that's really relevant in this case - these are small labels putting out brilliant music, why not just support them instead of effectively undermining them?

I can sort of understand the idea that it draws people towards your blog and can then expose your writing/journalism to a wider audience, but you're not writing anything? Just posting pictures of the artists and an mp3s of their music. I'm sorry but It stinks of getting props for other peoples hard work. I noticed that you've posted up a track of your own, which is cool by the way, but I doubt you're gonna win many friends in this game from these actions.

If you love the music then why not write about it, express what you like about it. The way I see it that would be as good as if not a better means of promoting people's work.

At least just post clips dude.

Rekordah wrote:I doubt it will see a repress and they are bootlegs after all, but still - I don't understand blogs that do this, what exactly are you gaining from illegally sharing music on your blog?

I know theres a argument for it as good promo and, in fact, I usually am in agreement with this. But I don't think that's really relevant in this case - these are small labels putting out brilliant music, why not just support them instead of effectively undermining them?

I can sort of understand the idea that it draws people towards your blog and can then expose your writing/journalism to a wider audience, but you're not writing anything? Just posting pictures of the artists and an mp3s of their music. I'm sorry but It stinks of getting props for other peoples hard work. I noticed that you've posted up a track of your own, which is cool by the way, but I doubt you're gonna win many friends in this game from these actions.

If you love the music then why not write about it, express what you like about it. The way I see it that would be as good as if not a better means of promoting people's work.

At least just post clips dude.

Hey, theres alot of mp3 blogs out there im sure you agree. I know I don't write much or have much content other than mp3s but I'm not putting full blown albums out. The mp3's i post are not super new. They've been out and I just happen to post music I recently hear or have. I do support the artists 100% thats why i dedicate my time/money in a blog to promote them. If you wanna support them really, go to their shows...buy their tickets.. get some merch. (The music is what gets people to come).

I will start putting links up to shoopping carts and writing more about the artists i look up to but i'm still debating on just putting at least 1 mp3 for promotional uses and people to rip/burn, pass around, and bump wherever they go. Its an art, i make music myself.. i do shows, i give out free tracks(my own tracks) all the time for promotional terms.. this type of music's still lowkey and we all needa help spreading it.

I do however will take down any post if asked. (Immediately)...

Now I feel bad, I definatly wasnt trying to imply he's not on the up and up... just wanted a little confirmation because of some recent posts (not mentioning his blog, just other blogs) where the author thought it was cool and ended up getting shit for it. Just me being extra cautious, cause Imma play the hell out of these if I feel comfortable with the reply.

I do see your argument Rekordah, but I wasnt trying to bring that kind of sentiment down on dude in the least with my comment. Maybe I should have done it in a PM.

Sorry, didnt mean to imply anything with that question Deevo.

kidlogic wrote:Now I feel bad, I definatly wasnt trying to imply he's not on the up and up... just wanted a little confirmation because of some recent posts (not mentioning his blog, just other blogs) where the author thought it was cool and ended up getting shit for it. Just me being extra cautious, cause Imma play the hell out of these if I feel comfortable with the reply.

I do see your argument Rekordah, but I wasnt trying to bring that kind of sentiment down on dude in the least with my comment. Maybe I should have done it in a PM.

Sorry, didnt mean to imply anything with that question Deevo.

No bigs!

Rekordah wrote:post

cmon man, honestly who still buys music? ive only bought 4 cds i think in that past 2 years. if deevo just posts clips, and someone hears them and digs them... what are they gonna do next? do a blog search and find a link elsewhere. it's so easy nowadays. plus i kind of owe blogs for opening up entire genres to me. jazz, soul, prog & psych rock, samba & bossa nova ... stuff you cant just buy (not easily at least). i actually contribute to a blog with minimal journalism and lots of links. i dont feel bad about it, especially if turns a couple hundred people on to a new artist they would otherwise never hear of.

deevo wrote:Hey, theres alot of mp3 blogs out there im sure you agree. I know I don't write much or have much content other than mp3s but I'm not putting full blown albums out. The mp3's i post are not super new. They've been out and I just happen to post music I recently hear or have.

I will start putting links up to shoopping carts and writing more about the artists i look up to but i'm still debating on just putting at least 1 mp3 for promotional uses and people to rip/burn, pass around, and bump wherever they go. Its an art, i make music myself.. i do shows, i give out free tracks all the time for promotional terms.. this type of music's still lowkey and we all needa help spreading it.

I do however will take down any post if asked. (Immediately)...

I do see where you're coming from, and I wasn't trying to come down hard on you. I was a bit harsh about the "props from other people's hard work" comment, I'm sure you have good intentions - spreading the music, promoting artists/releases etc.

But at risk of getting into this whole big debate on the subject, the argument that theres loads of other mp3 blogs out there doing this is kinda redundant - It's like saying there's a lot bad shit going on in the world so why not join in.

It's the same with saying that if the label wants the download taken down then you'll do it, I'm quite sure that if any of the labels in question found their repertoire posted on your blog then they'd ask you to take it down, it's just a question of them finding it - it's like saying you're not doing anything wrong unless you get caught.

Yes most of the tracks you've posted have been around for a little while (save the Bullion track which was taken down, which had literally just come out) but they've all had digital releases.

And I still maintain that a good bit of enthusiastic writing about a track/artist will drum up as much (if not more) interest as posting an mp3. Posting clips is fine in my opinion and I'm sure people will be able to decide whether they're into a track from a minute and a half of listening - then they can go and buy the wax or mp3 if they're feeling it.

That's my viewpoint anyway.

Constrobuz wrote:

Rekordah wrote:post

cmon man, honestly who still buys music? ive only bought 4 cds i think in that past 2 years. if deevo just posts clips, and someone hears them and digs them... what are they gonna do next? do a blog search and find a link elsewhere. it's so easy nowadays. plus i kind of owe blogs for opening up entire genres to me. jazz, soul, prog & psych rock, samba & bossa nova ... stuff you cant just buy (not easily at least). i actually contribute to a blog with minimal journalism and lots of links. i dont feel bad about it, especially if turns a couple hundred people on to a new artist they would otherwise never hear of.

I agree and disagree. Lord knows I've stolen some music.

Constrobuz wrote:

Rekordah wrote:post

cmon man, honestly who still buys music? ive only bought 4 cds i think in that past 2 years. if deevo just posts clips, and someone hears them and digs them... what are they gonna do next? do a blog search and find a link elsewhere. it's so easy nowadays. plus i kind of owe blogs for opening up entire genres to me. jazz, soul, prog & psych rock, samba & bossa nova ... stuff you cant just buy (not easily at least). i actually contribute to a blog with minimal journalism and lots of links. i dont feel bad about it, especially if turns a couple hundred people on to a new artist they would otherwise never hear of.

Yeah, "sharity" blogs (which I think you're refering to when you say jazz, soul, prog etc.) are cool and I've found a load of good music that I would of never ever listened to if it weren't for them. But the fundamental difference is that the music posted on them is very old, out of print, probably will never be reissued and is only available in digital form because someone has ripped the tracks from wax.

And yeah I see your point about listening to a clip and then just finding a free download elsewhere rather than going and buying it - I admit i'm guilty of that too - but seriously, how many blogs are out there where you can find free downloads from Onra, Bullion, HOC etc? Serious question. Because I've looked for free downloads of this type of shit before and found nothing.

Rekordah wrote:

Constrobuz wrote:

Rekordah wrote:post

cmon man, honestly who still buys music? ive only bought 4 cds i think in that past 2 years. if deevo just posts clips, and someone hears them and digs them... what are they gonna do next? do a blog search and find a link elsewhere. it's so easy nowadays. plus i kind of owe blogs for opening up entire genres to me. jazz, soul, prog & psych rock, samba & bossa nova ... stuff you cant just buy (not easily at least). i actually contribute to a blog with minimal journalism and lots of links. i dont feel bad about it, especially if turns a couple hundred people on to a new artist they would otherwise never hear of.

Yeah, "sharity" blogs (which I think you're refering to when you say jazz, soul, prog etc.) are cool and I've found a load of good music that I would of never ever listened to if it weren't for them. But the fundamental difference is that the music posted on them is very old, out of print, probably will never be reissued and is only available in digital form because someone has ripped the tracks from wax.

And yeah I see your point about listening to a clip and then just finding a free download elsewhere rather than going and buying it - I admit i'm guilty of that too - but seriously, how many blogs are out there where you can find free downloads from Onra, Bullion, HOC etc? Serious question. Because I've looked for free downloads of this type of shit before and found nothing.

you'd be surprised by how many old psych and prog albums actually do get reissued on CD, but thats another story.

with some simple googling and looking only at the first page, i found 3 links to onras chinoiseries and 2 for 1.0.8, 1 link each for HOC's puzzles and secrets (both from the same blog and it was the first hit), and 1 for Bullion's Young Heartache but the link was down, and bunch for pet sounds in the key of dee. so yeah, these releases are not hard to find. even easier with sites like loadingvault that search all of rapidshare and megaupload.

One other thing before I get my beauty sleep...

deevo wrote:If you wanna support them really, go to their shows...buy their tickets.. get some merch. (The music is what gets people to come).

This is true to an extent, and like I said before I agree that doing this promotes the artist and their music. And yeah, playing shows is definitely what most artists in this game will make most of their money from. Releases generate next to no income, and their major function is to get the artist's name and music out there so the public can enjoy it and the artist will get booked to play more shows and get bigger fees.

But the issue here is with the people putting out the records - a lot of people don't realise that there is pretty much no money to be made when putting out records on this scale, infact most labels will only start to breakeven after a bunch of succesful releases. It seems far fetched, but with every person who would of bought the wax/mp3 (if they hadn't of found a free download on the net) the label's chances of actually losing money from putting in a lot of hard work to get the music out there become higher and higher.

Constrobuz wrote:

Rekordah wrote:post

cmon man, honestly who still buys music? ive only bought 4 cds i think in that past 2 years. if deevo just posts clips, and someone hears them and digs them... what are they gonna do next? do a blog search and find a link elsewhere. it's so easy nowadays. plus i kind of owe blogs for opening up entire genres to me. jazz, soul, prog & psych rock, samba & bossa nova ... stuff you cant just buy (not easily at least). i actually contribute to a blog with minimal journalism and lots of links. i dont feel bad about it, especially if turns a couple hundred people on to a new artist they would otherwise never hear of.

i dunno about others but i think this attitude really fucking bites.

"i'll do it cause everyone else is doing it"
or
"i'll do it cause the artist might want me to, to get some promo". 99.999% of the time they dont, especially if it's a full ep/album.
or
"it'll sell them tickets or merch".. eh maybe, but if they want you to post stuff they will usually get in touch or you should ask first. it wont sell them records that's for sure.

also blogs that put up disclaimers saying shit is for preview... what planet is that from.

i love blogs for the discovery angle, and you make a good point about opening up new music which i agree with - but you can discover music and post links to tracks (not full album zips) at 128k (not 320) and get exactly the same result.

moolac wrote:

Constrobuz wrote:

Rekordah wrote:post

cmon man, honestly who still buys music? ive only bought 4 cds i think in that past 2 years. if deevo just posts clips, and someone hears them and digs them... what are they gonna do next? do a blog search and find a link elsewhere. it's so easy nowadays. plus i kind of owe blogs for opening up entire genres to me. jazz, soul, prog & psych rock, samba & bossa nova ... stuff you cant just buy (not easily at least). i actually contribute to a blog with minimal journalism and lots of links. i dont feel bad about it, especially if turns a couple hundred people on to a new artist they would otherwise never hear of.

i dunno about others but i think this attitude really fucking bites.

"i'll do it cause everyone else is doing it"
or
"i'll do it cause the artist might want me to, to get some promo". 99.999% of the time they dont, especially if it's a full ep/album.
or
"it'll sell them tickets or merch".. eh maybe, but if they want you to post stuff they will usually get in touch or you should ask first. it wont sell them records that's for sure.

also blogs that put up disclaimers saying shit is for preview... what planet is that from.

i love blogs for the discovery angle, and you make a good point about opening up new music which i agree with - but you can discover music and post links to tracks (not full album zips) at 128k (not 320) and get exactly the same result.

*applause*

i'm fairly sure All City won't be that chuffed to see this fella leaking old mp3s from their catalogue either - it's a respect issue. if you respect the label or artists, why not try asking them if you can post the file. you never know how they feel about it - it's different for each artist and label.

As for this EP, well it was a bootleg that was later bootlegged by other people.. and wasn't done with permission of mr oizo etc - so slightly more complex issue.

link is now gone.


i dont know about music blogs but at least for me personally...if it were not for file sharing & listening to bootlegs from the internet i would never have found most of the music i listen to & own on vinyl. i would never have known about the entire dubstep genre fo sho...

i mean the closest record store to me that sells any dubstep at all is Criminal in Atlanta(6 hours away) & when i asked there they didnt even know what the genre was but i found 3 dubstep vinyl total. Pretty much every album i own i downloaded first. I'm thankful this option exists because much of what i download i find to be total shite & would be pissed to have spent money on it. When there is a high quality vinyl store with perfect selection & listening booths in every single town in the world i will be all for getting rid of file sharing. until then, the artists that do chose to give their music away are first on my list to purchase!!!

i bought this one on wax

does that mean ive done mr oizo an injustice





and just to summarise: free music is cool. paying for music is even cooler!

yeh it was only ever 500 copies. then some people bootlegged it to spoil it and turn it into some sorta proper release... but a shit quality version (you cantell the difference by the run out grooves and the quality of audio press)

these remixes would never have seen a nice mastered vinyl version if it didn't come out.

i wasn't having a go about these mp3s above btw... i think they should be out there for people really as they were (mostly) all blogged MP3s by FlyLo in the first place.