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Why is 320 format common?

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:37 pm
by pets bud
I just noticed I can render an MP3 higher than that. Why's everyone ask for 320 when you can get higher bitrates?

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:38 pm
by contakt321
I think b/c it's the intersection between high enough quality to DJ with on Serato, yet small enough to email easily (< 20mb)

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:39 pm
by r
cause not every daw can render higher rates
It's just the norm nowadays.

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:59 pm
by hurlingdervish
192 is more than enough imo

320 is like bringing two umbrellas with you out in the rain

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:09 pm
by webstarr
192 is not up to it when your playing out imo

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:20 pm
by hurlingdervish
Webstarr wrote:192 is not up to it when your playing out imo
if so then whats the difference?

seems like an audiophile myth to me

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:25 pm
by webstarr
hurlingdervish wrote:
Webstarr wrote:192 is not up to it when your playing out imo
if so then whats the difference?

seems like an audiophile myth to me
sub bass is lost a bit along with some of the brightness in the top end like hihats

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:28 pm
by cheaper
I wouldn't throw a 192 on a 20kW PA system to be honest

WAV is 1411 Kbps guys...

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:36 pm
by abZ
Wow there is some retarded shit going on up in this thead :lol:

First of all I have never heard of a higher quality MP3 than 320, what encoder are you using?

Secondly most DAW's don't produce MP3's at all. I know FL does but what else? I export at 24 bit wav and make a 320 after I master it.

Thirdly if you think 192k is fine then you might want to get your ears checked. It is quite noticeable in the high end.

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:41 pm
by Project_B
abZ wrote:Wow there is some retarded shit going on up in this thead :lol:

First of all I have never heard of a higher quality MP3 than 320, what encoder are you using?

Secondly most DAW's don't produce MP3's at all. I know FL does but what else? I export at 24 bit wav and make a 320 after I master it.

Thirdly if you think 192k is fine then you might want to get your ears checked. It is quite noticeable in the high end.

FL claims it can render an mp3 up to 44000 bps but if you check the mp3 after, it still only comes out at 32000, so this is probably what the OP is reffering to.

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:58 pm
by __________
Imaginary Forces wrote:FL claims it can render an mp3 up to 44000 bps
ummm nah

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MP3/OGG (Audio)

mp3 (Mpeg Layer 3) and ogg (Ogg Vorbis) are both 'lossy' formats that compact the audio to save space. The slider sets bit-rate of the mp3/ogg audio file, as bit-rate increases the sound quality of the audio improves, but at the expense of file size.

What bit-rate should I use?

o 64 kb/s (or less) is a good bit-rate for internet demo tracks where you'd like people to hear your music without obtaining a quality copy.
o 128 kb/s is excellent for web streaming and e-mailing music files, although some artifacts will be audible it is about the point where acceptable 'listening' quality for most people starts.
o 160 kb/s is the rate where it becomes difficult for many listeners to distinguish CD from mp3 and so makes a good setting for most distribution and listening purposes.
o 224 kb/s (or greater) and mp3/ogg becomes practically indistinguishable from CD under normal listening conditions and so these rates can be handy when collaborating over the Internet and you need to share audio files that may be impractical in .wav format (1400 kb/s).

NOTES: The maximum bit-rate for mp3 is 320 kbps and ogg, 450 kbps. This means for mp3 you will get, at most, a 320 kbps file even if the slider is set to the max 450 while ogg will render at 450 kbps. Where possible it is recommended to use at least 16-bit .wav format for sharing raw audio in a production environment.

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:34 am
by stapleface
320kb/s

24 bit

everything else just sounds far too shit to play on a big system
i dont even like playing 192s on my computer speakers :P

oh and btw Imaginary Forces just got pwnd.

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:18 am
by pets bud
I saw this...


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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:37 am
by deadly_habit
psssh noobs with their cracked fl versions
if you buy the legit version you can render 640 kbps mp3s
:6:

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:43 am
by pets bud
Deadly Habit wrote:psssh noobs with their cracked fl versions
if you buy the legit version you can render 640 kbps mp3s
:6:
You are right it is cracked. I do have the original one and free lifetime updates. But someone on another post said "cracked FL = Grimey beats" So I use the cracked one... :twisted: :wink:

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:33 am
by Sharmaji
those of you exporting at 16bit, you should try dithering to see if it improves the sound of your mixdowns.

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:19 am
by pengwavs
im pretty much a nub in the mixingdown department, so forgive me when i ask what is " dithering " more importantly, how do i dither ? :lol:

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:43 am
by abZ
That is the thing with the Fruit, my boy mixed down a premaster from it at 320 not thinking it though the whole way. You really should be mixing down 24 bit no dither and let the ME handle it. Or if I am doing it myself I will dither down in Sound Forge post minor self mastering.

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:53 am
by bugsky
abZ wrote:Secondly most DAW's don't produce MP3's at all. I know FL does but what else? I export at 24 bit wav and make a 320 after I master it.
Ableton Live is the only DAW i've come across that doesnt render mp3s from the box. I know Cubase does.