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The proof that fl sucks (?!)
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:59 pm
by baddub
As it was explained in
this topic the waveforms, which don't start at zero crossing cause your speakers/headphones to click.
The problem I came across in FL Studio is that it doesn't matter which vst you use. Nothing changes after bouncing the wavefrom to WAV and editing it. It doesn't even matter if it's a wave file generated in FL or any other soft. I used downloaded waveforms which started perfectly at 0. It always ends up clicking.
Taken to its logical conclusion, this would mean that every sample and generated sound causes clicking which leads to muddying your mixdown.
To illustrate:
orange graph shows peak (click) frequency of a simple sinewave, compared to its normal frequency (yellow). As can be seen, there is a lot of unwanted frequencies.
What do you think guys?
PS. Tests performed in other DAW's would be appreciated.
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:50 pm
by ninjadog
Like we needed any proof fl sucks.
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:53 pm
by baddub
like we need any posts like this one... I really want it to be constructive discussion.
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:02 pm
by Disco Nutter
Well, a file to test with would be useful if anybody's going to bother testing it.
Jason
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:04 pm
by wheez-ie
yea...massive always has a click in fl...cant get rid of it...succckckcs
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:17 pm
by baddub
OK, then
There is a
sine to test in your DAW's

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:32 pm
by scooterjack
asdr
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:37 pm
by baddub
ScooterJack wrote:asdr
Yep, it's a partial solution, but it doesn't solve the problem itself. I really want to know if it's a problem specific only for fl.
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:40 pm
by scooterjack
BADDUB wrote:ScooterJack wrote:asdr
Yep, it's a partial solution, but it doesn't solve the problem itself. I really want to know if it's a problem specific only for fl.
if it stops the click, it's not a 'partial' solution, it is the/a solution....
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:45 pm
by future one
floops
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:55 pm
by slyman
ScooterJack wrote:BADDUB wrote:ScooterJack wrote:asdr
Yep, it's a partial solution, but it doesn't solve the problem itself. I really want to know if it's a problem specific only for fl.
if it stops the click, it's not a 'partial' solution, it is the/a solution....
well wat if u don't want a sound with a slow attack or release and y should u have to do that every time wen shouldn't have to
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:02 pm
by baddub
ScooterJack wrote:BADDUB wrote:ScooterJack wrote:asdr
Yep, it's a partial solution, but it doesn't solve the problem itself. I really want to know if it's a problem specific only for fl.
if it stops the click, it's not a 'partial' solution, it is the/a solution....
It doesn't stop the click it only makes it quieter (even with quite considerable attack and release values). Just compare two sines with a spectrum analyzer.
Any comparison tests with other DAW's?

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:53 pm
by 3za
slyman wrote: well wat if u don't want a sound with a slow attack or release and y should u have to do that every time wen shouldn't have to
or you need is about 5ms and no clicks, that is not slow imo.
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:55 pm
by 3za
BADDUB wrote: It doesn't stop the click it only makes it quieter (even with quite considerable attack and release values)
thats not true.
why?..
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:04 pm
by trike12
I would really like to know why people think fruity loops sucks. (except for this proplem)
i think its a good and simple daw and if you only use top notch vsts for plugins, whats left to moan about? (except this problem)
im NOT defending fruity loops, i just want to understand why its bad. (except for this problem

)
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:52 pm
by mumble
The real proof comes from the amount of great music being made using FL

Re: why?..
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:59 pm
by collige
trike12 wrote:I would really like to know why people think fruity loops sucks. (except for this proplem)
i think its a good and simple daw and if you only use top notch vsts for plugins, whats left to moan about? (except this problem)
im NOT defending fruity loops, i just want to understand why its bad. (except for this problem

)
No mac support.
It doesn't make it suck, but it does make me not use it.
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 9:04 pm
by sunnyb
Fruity loops doesnt suck like the previous post look how much good music comes from Fruity Loops compared to something like Reason
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 12:02 am
by xzazael
Nope. No Good Music Has Ever Come From FL Studio. I Better Download Reason.
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 1:11 am
by chronicrecords
Xzazael wrote:
Nope. No Good Music Has Ever Come From FL Studio. I Better Download Reason.
who the fuck is that?