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Re: Illegally Downloading Music
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:36 pm
by ultraspatial
Kochari wrote:But he's got some interesting points, eg: "Before the MP3 people still copied and bootlegged CDs, tapes, etc."
Thats at least worth discussing right?
Man's got a point. Still got stacks of my dad's old 80s bootlegged tapes (as you couldn't get shit legally in communist Romania back then). And that was actual piracy as people were selling bootlegged material.
Re: Illegally Downloading Music
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:41 pm
by reverendmedia
Piracy won't just affect the musicians. Consequently the designers, engineers, photographers, managers, graphic artists etc etc are all taking a hit as well.
Not one for posting here these days, but there's some utterly shameful attitudes in this thread. Particularly incensed by the 'I buy vinyl so torrents are cool' nonsense.
Re: Illegally Downloading Music
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:47 pm
by AllNightDayDream
reverendmedia wrote:Piracy won't just affect the musicians. Consequently the designers, engineers, photographers, managers, graphic artists etc etc are all taking a hit as well.
Not one for posting here these days, but there's some utterly shameful attitudes in this thread. Particularly incensed by the 'I buy vinyl so torrents are cool' nonsense.
Undoubtedly there is a huge restructuring going on, although like I said before the new format is what is driving the change. But that is the nature of arts industries, isn't it? If you are a photographer or graphic designer by trade, you can't just specialize in one industry and hope it will be stable in the long term. Graphics designers make art for all kinds of media like videogames, magazines, websites, advertisements, etc. It's not a profession like medicine where you can land a specialized job in one place and potentially work there the rest of your life. It's the nature of the beast, and the nature of the world is that it changes.
Re: Illegally Downloading Music
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:48 pm
by untightled
gwa wrote:I GET SENT SO MUCH MUSIC I DONT NEED TO BUY IT NO MORE
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Re: Illegally Downloading Music
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:59 pm
by vishes
Piracy isn't beneficial for the industry but people will do it anyway and there's no stopping it.
Can we stop now?
Re: Illegally Downloading Music
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:01 pm
by AllNightDayDream
vishes wrote:Piracy isn't beneficial for the industry
Who is the industry?
And when the industry was booming prior to this whole shift, was there not any "theft" going on by said industry?
Re: Illegally Downloading Music
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:05 pm
by SCope13
vishes wrote:Piracy isn't beneficial for the industry but people will do it anyway and there's no stopping it.
Can we stop now?
I don't give a fuck what's good for the industry, I care what's good for the artists. If piracy gives them more exposure, leading to more sales, then the artist still wins, and that's all that matters.
Re: Illegally Downloading Music
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:15 pm
by hxrtk
I live in a country where downloading music,movies,programs,etc is perfectly normal and it's not considered crime by anyone...Musicians nowadays live on concerts and tours not on their music...
Re: Illegally Downloading Music
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:22 pm
by fractal
reverendmedia wrote:Piracy won't just affect the musicians. Consequently the designers, engineers, photographers, managers, graphic artists etc etc are all taking a hit as well.
Not one for posting here these days, but there's some utterly shameful attitudes in this thread. Particularly incensed by the 'I buy vinyl so torrents are cool' nonsense.
yep, goes across the whole board.... funny to see how people rationalize stuff these days
Re: Illegally Downloading Music
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:27 pm
by Redderious
hxrtk wrote:I live in a country where downloading music,movies,programs,etc is perfectly normal and it's not considered crime by anyone...Musicians nowadays live on concerts and tours not on their music...
money is money, if you don't think there releases help them out at all then your not using your head. It is a crime but a ton of people do it. I used to torrent collections when i first discovered the genre, but once i zoned in on a specific sub-genre i started purchasing. Havn't downloaded anything illegally in years.
viruses, sloppy librarys, and disrespect to the artists is what you get when you file share. If they wanted you to do it they would upload there tracks themselves, and im pretty certain none of them take part...
Re: Illegally Downloading Music
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:28 pm
by seckle
reverendmedia wrote:Piracy won't just affect the musicians. Consequently the designers, engineers, photographers, managers, graphic artists etc etc are all taking a hit as well.
Not one for posting here these days, but there's some utterly shameful attitudes in this thread. Particularly incensed by the 'I buy vinyl so torrents are cool' nonsense.
150%.
it breaks down the whole system of releasing music. Anyone that says differently, doesn't know this business at all. People should go talk to ST Holdings, or any of the other distros about piracy.....
Re: Illegally Downloading Music
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:31 pm
by ultraspatial
vishes wrote:Piracy isn't beneficial for the industry but people will do it anyway and there's no stopping it.
Can we stop now?
Re: Illegally Downloading Music
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:36 pm
by wolf89
Pistonsbeneath wrote:SCope13 wrote:Pistonsbeneath wrote:SCope13 wrote:If I really love what I'm listening to, I'll be sure the artist gets something.
thats so good of you lol
Well hell, theres no sense in me spending 12 bucks on something I might not like. If I like it, I'll buy it. If I'm not going to listen to it anyway, I'm not going to go out and purchase it.
okay well if you like my ep buy it and if you dont dont bother with it
That's the thing. I have quality control over the music I buy. My brother has a hard drive full of pirated shit that he barely cares about and even forgets what some of the tunes even sound like or where he heard them.
I have a room full of vinyl and cds that I care about. Just yesterday I realised that Queens Of The Stone Age's Songs For The Deaf came out 10 years and I still remember vividly the day I got it. I remember buying it from the store on the day of release and being so ridiculously excited to get it home and play it for the first time as I'd only heard one track off it and I fucking loved it. I played the album all the fucking time got to know it insanely well. Fuck downloading and album. Listening to it then maybe buying it or a couple tracks just isn't the same. I like to buy something I know will be fucking awesome but haven't already just heard on the internet then rinse the album over and over, or go to a record store and pick up a 12" I've been waiting to be released, or go to the store and here something new in I've never heard and buy it there and take it home or even listen to a couple previews of something online then take a punt on it.
Re: Illegally Downloading Music
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:36 pm
by wolf89
Pistonsbeneath wrote:SCope13 wrote:Pistonsbeneath wrote:SCope13 wrote:If I really love what I'm listening to, I'll be sure the artist gets something.
thats so good of you lol
Well hell, theres no sense in me spending 12 bucks on something I might not like. If I like it, I'll buy it. If I'm not going to listen to it anyway, I'm not going to go out and purchase it.
okay well if you like my ep buy it and if you dont dont bother with it
That's the thing. I have quality control over the music I buy. My brother has a hard drive full of pirated shit that he barely cares about and even forgets what some of the tunes even sound like or where he heard them.
I have a room full of vinyl and cds that I care about. Just yesterday I realised that Queens Of The Stone Age's Songs For The Deaf came out 10 years and I still remember vividly the day I got it. I remember buying it from the store on the day of release and being so ridiculously excited to get it home and play it for the first time as I'd only heard one track off it and I fucking loved it. I played the album all the fucking time got to know it insanely well. Fuck downloading and album. Listening to it then maybe buying it or a couple tracks just isn't the same. I like to buy something I know will be fucking awesome but haven't already just heard on the internet then rinse the album over and over, or go to a record store and pick up a 12" I've been waiting to be released, or go to the store and here something new in I've never heard and buy it there and take it home or even listen to a couple previews of something online then take a punt on it.
Re: Illegally Downloading Music
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:37 pm
by seckle
Re: Illegally Downloading Music
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:48 pm
by vishes
I'm just saying, we can bitch and cry about this all we want, but it won't change anything. Not one bit. And you all damn well know that.
Re: Illegally Downloading Music
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:09 pm
by collige
The actual effects of piracy are impossible to determine. There are way too many factors.
I think our time would be better spent figuring out how to adapt the music distribution structure to the internet age and the new generation of listeners rather than arguing morals. No one's attitude is gonna get changed by this thread, let's think FWD.
Re: Illegally Downloading Music
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:22 pm
by pikeymobile
I wouldn't have spent a single penny on music if it wasn't for pirating music when I was a teenager, whereas now I've spent thousands on vinyl and music equipment.
Re: Illegally Downloading Music
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:24 pm
by apmje
I'm all for file sharing. So be it.
Re: Illegally Downloading Music
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:58 pm
by Pistonsbeneath
untightled wrote:gwa wrote:I GET SENT SO MUCH MUSIC I DONT NEED TO BUY IT NO MORE
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