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Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:02 pm
by Pistonsbeneath
THE-VOICE-OF-REASON wrote:Im talking about the lack of originality( deamonds tunes are a good example) among the hoards of so called producers out there , the point I'm making is that there is already a mala , loefah , coki , skream , martyn , 2562 , burial , joker and the shit carbon copy tunes get boring.
yeah i agree to an extent that nothing is coming out that's fresh which was still happening a couple of years ago but don't all those guys sound like someone anyway?
i thought quality was your beef rather than originality?
something can outdo the person it's influenced by just asit can fail by comparison
Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:12 pm
by Province
I reckon its because these new producers hear a dubstep tune and then set out to make a dubstep tune and take all the generic stuff into account.
They aint making stuff that just sounds good to them regardless whether its dubstep or not, thats why its all just wobuffet bass.
but rags everyone likes different things.
get me?
Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:17 pm
by seckle
Artek wrote: new producers hear a dubstep tune and then set out to make a dubstep tune
+1
its not like jimi hendrix sat down with a guitar and said to himself, i'm going to write a blues rock song. he just wrote songs. sure, not everyone has talent like jimi, but at least think about what you're trying to say with the direction of your music, instead of churning out tunes just because you have a copy of logic and plugins.
its much better to be the sum total of all your influences then to wallow around in them.
Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:21 pm
by did
My productions are actually just Caspa and Rusko songs played backwards. Tell me one other producer who's done that
Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:25 pm
by clive
DID wrote:My productions are actually just Caspa and Rusko songs played backwards. Tell me one other producer who's done that
Pretty much every DJ, judging by the dubstep nights that i've been to.
Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:30 pm
by test_recordings
Artek wrote:I reckon its because these new producers hear a dubstep tune and then set out to make a dubstep tune and take all the generic stuff into account.
They aint making stuff that just sounds good to them regardless whether its dubstep or not, thats why its all just wobuffet bass.
but rags everyone likes different things.
get me?
Aye I get what you mean, dubstep for dubstep's sake (IT MUST BE 140BPM, SMASHING AND REVERB DRENCHED SNARE, THUDDING BASS DRUM AND WOBBLY/BITCRUSHED BASS). Point is it seems like all the producers like the same thing and people are asking what the point is in churning out generic stuff. I have to turn the radio off if it's a 'dubstep' show, there's no point listening to what I've already heard about 50 times and didn't think was good in the first place (at a night I have no choice because I've paid to get in dammit). There's a certain sunday show on my local station that I like but not half the rest
Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:30 pm
by kapital
This is what I strive for...and I don't even make dubstep. I found that while I can think of 10-15 producers who I "look up to", I have a clear understanding that I can never be them....EVER. I will not be able to recreate any of their classics....so that said, with that in the subconscious....I've taken a major burden/load off my back, because I don't have to work towards that sorta thing. So much easier....
For example, I love hip-hop....grew up listening to it. I don't actively try and make a hip-hop tune because it ends up sounding to robotic and bullshit....don't try and pull some DJ Premier loop shit.
Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:34 pm
by Pistonsbeneath
seckle wrote:Artek wrote: new producers hear a dubstep tune and then set out to make a dubstep tune
+1
its not like jimi hendrix sat down with a guitar and said to himself, i'm going to right a blues rock song. he just wrote songs. sure, not everyone has talent like jimi, but at least think about what you're trying to say with the direction of your music, instead of churning out tunes just because you have a copy of logic and plugins.
its much better to be the sum total of all your influences then to wallow around in them.
I don't think the times are in any way comparable...
people probably slagged off a lot of music then that seems amazing now...
I Imagine hendrix had many influences...he didn't just pick it up and suddenly make music out of nothing...
for example a lot of led zep's best stuff sounds like their take on funk...rock is rather funky is it not?
and ska was caribbeans trying to make american soul music with less evolved musicianship and cheaper production values...as it happens ska is wicked and spawned reggae which spawned to an extent dubstep much later on....
Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:37 pm
by kapital
Piston wrote:seckle wrote:Artek wrote: new producers hear a dubstep tune and then set out to make a dubstep tune
+1
its not like jimi hendrix sat down with a guitar and said to himself, i'm going to right a blues rock song. he just wrote songs. sure, not everyone has talent like jimi, but at least think about what you're trying to say with the direction of your music, instead of churning out tunes just because you have a copy of logic and plugins.
its much better to be the sum total of all your influences then to wallow around in them.
I don't think the times are in any way comparable...
people probably slagged off a lot of music then that seems amazing now...
I Imagine hendrix had many influences...he didn't just pick it up and suddenly make music out of nothing...
for example a lot of led zep's best stuff sounds like their take on funk...rock is rather funky is it not?
and ska was caribbeans trying to make american soul music with less evolved musicianship and cheaper production values...as it happens ska is wicked and spawned reggae which spawned to an extent dubstep much later on....
Good point
Did rocksteady come inbetween ska and reggae or after reggae.
Another sort of "sub-genre" that came about.
Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:38 pm
by -dubson-
so does every tune have to be a new amazing original piece of art to be considered good now?
not saying people shouldn't try to be original but its not that often some actually does something that's original. Most of the time its just a different twist on a idea or something like that.
Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:44 pm
by deadly_habit
comparing hendrix to mainly club based dance music made me chuckle
Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:50 pm
by reptilian
wascal wrote:Reptilian wrote:The music is decent and all if thats your cup of tea but more original? Sorry but I had a listen to your stuff and I didn't hear one thing as original as just one DMZ release
try Macabre Unit - Bacteria (Wascal mix) due out on Filthy Digital at the end of the month [/standard dsf shameless self-promo]
I'll check it out - better be good tho if you're saying it's as original as DMZ!
Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:50 pm
by reptilian
Deadly Habit wrote:comparing hendrix to mainly club based dance music made me chuckle
its all music!
Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:51 pm
by dj phonetic
Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:51 pm
by deadly_habit
Reptilian wrote:Deadly Habit wrote:comparing hendrix to mainly club based dance music made me chuckle
its all music!
one is mainly loop based one is free form
Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:52 pm
by Pistonsbeneath
Reptilian wrote:Deadly Habit wrote:comparing hendrix to mainly club based dance music made me chuckle
its all music!
so you think comparing bartok's work from 1918 to hixxy's toytown is in any way possible or worthwhile?
Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:53 pm
by deadly_habit
http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=81066
ok i'm done arguing for the sake of arguing for awhile
time to go skate
Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 5:02 pm
by seckle
jimi was just a random pick to illustrate the larger point of falling into the trap of easily reproduced creativity. its about confining yourself to the box you've already put yourself into, by the way you approach being creative.
apply the same thinking to any easily constructed art form and its the same. just because you have a camera with autofocus and a flash, doesn't mean you're ready to take a good photograph. you just have the tool to create a photo. this is why with the explosion in digital photography, and cameras everywhere and inside everything, you can still see someone thats a photographer, from someone thats just taking pictures. its because you see a bit of the photographer in the pictures that he/she takes. the same way that you can see a bit of kode 9 in a kode 9 tune. or EL-B or anyone...
salvador dali said something to the effect that...there's two types of artists in the world. those that seek to imitate the world around them, and those that seek to create a world of their own.
Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 5:03 pm
by slothrop
Kapital wrote:Piston wrote:seckle wrote:Artek wrote: new producers hear a dubstep tune and then set out to make a dubstep tune
+1
its not like jimi hendrix sat down with a guitar and said to himself, i'm going to right a blues rock song. he just wrote songs. sure, not everyone has talent like jimi, but at least think about what you're trying to say with the direction of your music, instead of churning out tunes just because you have a copy of logic and plugins.
its much better to be the sum total of all your influences then to wallow around in them.
I don't think the times are in any way comparable...
people probably slagged off a lot of music then that seems amazing now...
I Imagine hendrix had many influences...he didn't just pick it up and suddenly make music out of nothing...
for example a lot of led zep's best stuff sounds like their take on funk...rock is rather funky is it not?
and ska was caribbeans trying to make american soul music with less evolved musicianship and cheaper production values...as it happens ska is wicked and spawned reggae which spawned to an extent dubstep much later on....
Good point
Did rocksteady come inbetween ska and reggae or after reggae.
Another sort of "sub-genre" that came about.
Between.
And I'd say that a lot of the great tunes that came out of Jamaica in the 60s / 70s / 80s came about from people setting out to write ska / rocksteady / reggae / dancehall tunes - they were popular entertainers as well as artists. I think the difference is that a) they weren't afraid to break the rules and b) they set out to make really good rocksteady tunes rather than to make that'll-do by-the-numbers rocksteady tunes.
Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 5:06 pm
by Pistonsbeneath
Slothrop wrote:Kapital wrote:Piston wrote:seckle wrote:Artek wrote: new producers hear a dubstep tune and then set out to make a dubstep tune
+1
its not like jimi hendrix sat down with a guitar and said to himself, i'm going to right a blues rock song. he just wrote songs. sure, not everyone has talent like jimi, but at least think about what you're trying to say with the direction of your music, instead of churning out tunes just because you have a copy of logic and plugins.
its much better to be the sum total of all your influences then to wallow around in them.
I don't think the times are in any way comparable...
people probably slagged off a lot of music then that seems amazing now...
I Imagine hendrix had many influences...he didn't just pick it up and suddenly make music out of nothing...
for example a lot of led zep's best stuff sounds like their take on funk...rock is rather funky is it not?
and ska was caribbeans trying to make american soul music with less evolved musicianship and cheaper production values...as it happens ska is wicked and spawned reggae which spawned to an extent dubstep much later on....
Good point
Did rocksteady come inbetween ska and reggae or after reggae.
Another sort of "sub-genre" that came about.
Between.
And I'd say that a lot of the great tunes that came out of Jamaica in the 60s / 70s / 80s came about from people setting out to write ska / rocksteady / reggae / dancehall tunes - they were popular entertainers as well as artists. I think the difference is that a) they weren't afraid to break the rules and b) they set out to make really good rocksteady tunes rather than to make that'll-do by-the-numbers rocksteady tunes.
whichever way you look at it it was hugely influenced by soul initially..some might say they tried to rip it off...i probably have a lot more reggae than soul in my collection..i'm just making a counterpoint