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Miig wrote: Prince shut down the big torrent site Pirate Bay - everyone else should jump on board and stamp it out.

Whoah when did that happen?

aint no use wrote:

Miig wrote: Prince shut down the big torrent site Pirate Bay - everyone else should jump on board and stamp it out.

Whoah when did that happen?

i think its an ongoing thing

i dont think they have completely shut down yet, still more court shit to got through

I wonder when the artists will see their share of the $1.92 million the RIAA won in this case.

aint no use wrote:I wonder when the artists will see their share of the $1.92 million the RIAA won in this case.

forget riaa. as someone said earlier, what does riaa have to do with the underground? nothing. major label music is designed these days with filesharing losses built into record contracts. thats why they can sign and put out X amount of shit, because one justin timberlake record, makes them more money than 15 shitty bands would ever do. RIAA's got nothing to do with our scene so using them as a counter argument is useless.

support the underground! buy mp3's from independent record labels!

The artist does not see the money - the copyright holder does.

After an artists music is signed, in most main stream cases, the artist does not own the copyright any longer, as it belongs to the label's catalogue. The label sees the royalties that are paid for usage, and the artist gets paid according to their contract with the label.

we don't work with barcoded music in this scene. we don't have soundscan charts and stats. one leaked tune put on p2p from an independent record label, virtually guarantees that the label and artist will get next to nothing back from that tune. all it takes is one leak. stop the madness.

seckle wrote:we don't work with barcoded music in this scene. we don't have soundscan charts and stats. one leaked tune put on p2p from an independent record label, virtually guarantees that the label and artist will get next to nothing back from that tune. all it takes is one leak. stop the madness.

is that true? because just about every digital release gets leaked.

As someone who owns and runs several labels I would say it's not really a "legal" issue as much as a moral one.

While I couldn't give a fuck if you want to download Universal's full catalogue, or grab the latest movie, I think it is unfair not to support independent people who risk a lot to bring you the music in the first place.

Equally, if you're some poor as shit kid who lives somewhere in the buttfuck middle of some eastern bloc country or something then I'd rather you listened to the music and could afford to eat at the same time.

I think you have to weigh up a few factors:

Do you enjoy this music enough to pay for it?
Can you afford to pay for this music?
Can the artist / label afford for you not to pay for this music?

You can explain away downloading everything "because it's promotion for the artist", but there is only so much truth in that. I mean, that would be fine if you only downloaded from the same artist or label once, or if you instantly went and paid for everything that you really liked.

The sad thing is that it is getting harder and harder for independent artists to earn a living and if you don't support the good ones all that will be left is mainstream artists who have big backing and a billion crappy artists who give everything away for free in the hope that they'll get a few DJ gigs out of it.

jason burns wrote:

seckle wrote:we don't work with barcoded music in this scene. we don't have soundscan charts and stats. one leaked tune put on p2p from an independent record label, virtually guarantees that the label and artist will get next to nothing back from that tune. all it takes is one leak. stop the madness.

is that true? because just about every digital release gets leaked.

lol yeah no one makes any money off of digital music. There I said it.

The truth is there are things you can do. Most torrent sites will take torrents down if you the owner of the right of the music ask for it to be taken down. And on the most basic level what some see as bitching is clear statement on where we the artists stand on the issue. If one person reads this thread and decides that they can no longer justify stealing tunes or even if they at least start buying their dubstep then this thread is full of win imo. If you never hear us speak of it again than that is as good as an endorsement to take the shit for free. Although peoples morals should tell them what it right and wrong apparently parents don't teach their kids that anymore.

abZ wrote:lol yeah no one makes any money off of digital music. There I said it.

Actually that's not really true. I think our labels can sometimes even make more from the digital release than the vinyl release.

However if you added up all the people who download for free then it would be a significantly higher income, I'm sure.

InfectiousPR wrote:

abZ wrote:lol yeah no one makes any money off of digital music. There I said it.

Actually that's not really true. I think our labels can sometimes even make more from the digital release than the vinyl release.

However if you added up all the people who download for free then it would be a significantly higher income, I'm sure.

Well I am 6 months in. I'd say we have made money off of every release and we are making more each release but by the time everything is divided up it hardly worth the time involved. Unless you like working for a dollar an hour. But luckily I have a lot of FUN doing this

abZ wrote:Well I am 6 months in. I'd say we have made money off of every release and we are making more each release but by the time everything is divided up it hardly worth the time involved. Unless you like working for a dollar an hour. But luckily I have a lot of FUN doing this

The music industry has got to a stage where you have to really get yourself in a good position and have involvement in a lot of areas in order to really do well. Record sales alone just won't cut it.

I think that's partly down to the music coming and going out of fashion, the fact that there is much more competition from producers with a cracked copy of Reason or whatever and due to piracy.

It's a very grey area, but I think the truth is that you need to educate people that they should pay for and support the artists and labels they really get enjoyment from.

InfectiousPR wrote:

abZ wrote:Well I am 6 months in. I'd say we have made money off of every release and we are making more each release but by the time everything is divided up it hardly worth the time involved. Unless you like working for a dollar an hour. But luckily I have a lot of FUN doing this

The music industry has got to a stage where you have to really get yourself in a good position and have involvement in a lot of areas in order to really do well. Record sales alone just won't cut it.

I think that's partly down to the music coming and going out of fashion, the fact that there is much more competition from producers with a cracked copy of Reason or whatever and due to piracy.

It's a very grey area, but I think the truth is that you need to educate people that they should pay for and support the artists and labels they really get enjoyment from.

I totally agree with that and the last part is pretty much what I was saying a few posts up. Ultimately though I wasn't being sarcastic when I say I have a lot of fun with it. Been playing around with music for about 20 years now. If I was in it for the money then this phase of my life would be long behind me. But those little payoffs is what help keep you going, they sort of validate what you are doing. My biggest concern is not disappointing my artists too much.

c'mon dudes, there's no gray areas and fancy economical theories, just don't fucking steal from the family members, it's a small and modest family. that's all!

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put as much back into the community as you can.

What about pirated software? Surprised no one has brought this up, people bitch about their tracks getting pirated yet they use cracked software. Musicwise pay for it all. Simple as that!

because once they start making that cash from the music, most quality producers i know bought their essential software, even though it's exaggeratedly overpriced, as opposed to our music

alien pimp wrote:

-boring wrote:it's called respect.

fuck respect, have some of you people ever heard of this new concept called

(INTELLECTUAL) PROPERTY???

this. this. this. fucking. this.

I love hearing that defense, that's the same as "us vs. the big corporate giants." It's a hypocritical defense. Buy your software and then bitch about your tracks.