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though is there really a lot of older stuff that sounds like this



or this



?

If so, cool.. I would like to hear it .. but really every time people talk the "oh yeah this was done back in 97" thing, the track they post that's from 97 don't really sound anything like this new stuff. not saying it's not out there but.. point me to it plz

spydee wrote:lol the name drumstep sounds silly tho. it sounds as if drum n bass heads heard dubstep and basically tried to make their music like that. sure it must of caused ideas and inspiration but the name would suggest some direct copying.

yes and taking influence from other genres is just not acceptable! You either like DnB or you like Dubstep, but you must not like them both! You are either one head or the other.. make your choice, or feel the wrath of this forum!

fluffy wrote:though is there really a lot of older stuff that sounds like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL9xvAix_9o

or this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2ZhQtzke5s

?

If so, cool.. I would like to hear it .. but really every time people talk the "oh yeah this was done back in 97" thing, the track they post that's from 97 don't really sound anything like this new stuff. not saying it's not out there but.. point me to it plz

finally!!!! someone understands!!!!

chico_red wrote:

spydee wrote:lol the name drumstep sounds silly tho. it sounds as if drum n bass heads heard dubstep and basically tried to make their music like that. sure it must of caused ideas and inspiration but the name would suggest some direct copying.

yes and taking influence from other genres is just not acceptable! You either like DnB or you like Dubstep, but you must not like them both! You are either one head or the other.. make your choice, or feel the wrath of this forum!

I listened to Netsky's album yesterday and liked it..


I'm sorry!!!!

There's dubstep influenced drum and bass, there's jungle influenced dubstep and everything in between. I think that can't come as a surprise as both genres adapt influences from other genres. In my opinion calling dubstep influenced dnb »drumstep« is just stupid.

Or why stop there? We'd have dubstep, reggaestep, raggastep, metalstep, hardstep, technostep and – wait for it – joystep. COME ON!

seriously though people it is just drum and bass with a different drum pattern

CollisionCourse wrote:seriously though people it is just drum and bass with a different drum pattern

ur a genius!!!

http://www.mediafire.com/?5zary2ywomm

Scuba - So You Think You're Special [Hot Flush]
Alix Perez - 1984 [Shogun]
Morphy - Samsara (Linden Remix) [Nerve]
Kryptic Minds & Leon Switch - Hide the Tears (Loxy & Resound Remix) [Metalheadz]
Phobia & Jubei - Guillotine (Breakage Remix) [Coded Music]
Consequence - 11 Circles [Exit]
Ruckspin & A-Talon - Too Late [Dub]
Lynx & Aaron Jay - Mule [31]
Instra:Mental - No Future [Exit]
Spectrasoul - Organiser (Ramadanman Remix) [Critical]
Stray - Timbre [Critical]
Bulletproof, Cern & Teknik - Scatter the Ashes [Cyanide]
Hive & Gridlok ft. Keaton - Culture [Violence]
Noah D & Focus - Fire Song [Resolute Music]
Benga & Coki - Night (Breakage Remix) [Digital Soundboy]
Amit - Unholy [Commercial Suicide]
Sum One - Hell is... [Planet Mu]
Amit & Outrage - The Sickness [Commercial Suicide]
Martsman - Halow [Medschool]
Calibre - Steptoe [Signature]
Pyro & 154 - War on Error [Nerve]
Amit - Too Many Freedoms [Commercial Suicide]
S.P.Y. - Silent Sleeper [Medschool]
Rufige Kru - Shanghai Dub [Metalheadz]
Blocks - Tangier [Inside Recordings]
Breakage - The Shroud [Digital Soundboy]
Randomer ft. REDS - Autonomy [Medschool]
Skream - Midnight Request Line (Zinc Remix) [Bingo]
Gremlinz ft. Aspect - The Gavel [Soothsayer]
Limewax - Zombie vs Zombie [Position Chrome]
Tech Itch - The Claw [Tech Itch]
Donny - They Find Me [Barcode]
Randomer - Rough Sex [Free Download]

fluffy wrote:though is there really a lot of older stuff that sounds like this

Nice ! somebody played this at a party here the other day, everyone was like "what is this ?!?!" now i know

ruckspin wrote:http://www.mediafire.com/?5zary2ywomm

Scuba - So You Think You're Special [Hot Flush]
Alix Perez - 1984 [Shogun]
Morphy - Samsara (Linden Remix) [Nerve]
Kryptic Minds & Leon Switch - Hide the Tears (Loxy & Resound Remix) [Metalheadz]
Phobia & Jubei - Guillotine (Breakage Remix) [Coded Music]
Consequence - 11 Circles [Exit]
Ruckspin & A-Talon - Too Late [Dub]
Lynx & Aaron Jay - Mule [31]
Instra:Mental - No Future [Exit]
Spectrasoul - Organiser (Ramadanman Remix) [Critical]
Stray - Timbre [Critical]
Bulletproof, Cern & Teknik - Scatter the Ashes [Cyanide]
Hive & Gridlok ft. Keaton - Culture [Violence]
Noah D & Focus - Fire Song [Resolute Music]
Benga & Coki - Night (Breakage Remix) [Digital Soundboy]
Amit - Unholy [Commercial Suicide]
Sum One - Hell is... [Planet Mu]
Amit & Outrage - The Sickness [Commercial Suicide]
Martsman - Halow [Medschool]
Calibre - Steptoe [Signature]
Pyro & 154 - War on Error [Nerve]
Amit - Too Many Freedoms [Commercial Suicide]
S.P.Y. - Silent Sleeper [Medschool]
Rufige Kru - Shanghai Dub [Metalheadz]
Blocks - Tangier [Inside Recordings]
Breakage - The Shroud [Digital Soundboy]
Randomer ft. REDS - Autonomy [Medschool]
Skream - Midnight Request Line (Zinc Remix) [Bingo]
Gremlinz ft. Aspect - The Gavel [Soothsayer]
Limewax - Zombie vs Zombie [Position Chrome]
Tech Itch - The Claw [Tech Itch]
Donny - They Find Me [Barcode]
Randomer - Rough Sex [Free Download]

Big tracklist! On the DL for sheezy

I've spoken to people that ive actually had to explain that its not something new, and that its the same speed as dnb just half time. pretty annoying but this is happening all the time! just look at how many sub-genres rock music has!

pretty cool though, dub foundation are killin it imo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBf2yapf0qU

chico_red wrote:

CollisionCourse wrote:seriously though people it is just drum and bass with a different drum pattern

ur a genius!!!

youd think people would of realised after 7 pages, but no

lol not the drumstep argument again...

my opinion, I don't classify 'drumstep' as a genre as half time dnb has been around for tiiime however I use the term 'drumstep' as an easy way of describing tunes with half time vibes.

Back to the original post- I don't see how your classing your tune as 'liquid drumstep' when it isnt even half time, but like the tune keep on it

CollisionCourse wrote:

chico_red wrote:

CollisionCourse wrote:seriously though people it is just drum and bass with a different drum pattern

ur a genius!!!

youd think people would of realised after 7 pages, but no

you would have thought...but then this is dubstep forum.
if chico_red is agreeing with you there, i'm not really sure what the 7 pages of argument is about. all i can think is that he really could not explain himself and someone very early on should have said to "use your words..."

just. a different drum pattern.

if drumstep is just dnb then so is happy hardcore

This thread just beggars belief





For what it's worth - the term "Drumstep" seems to be exclusively used by the Jumpup / Wobble 'n Screech crew to describe the sort of halftime tunes they're starting to make, presumably because:

A: They've never heard of Amit

B: They've never heard any of the hundreds of halftime DnB tunes that people have been knocking out for years

C: They make music exclusively aimed at clueless teenagers and they want to get bookings at more mixed events where "Dubstep" (which in this particular case generally means "horrid screechy midrange mephedrone noise") is the only electronic music anyone attending has ever heard of.


Grooverider has been using the word on his radio show recently, I reckon "C" covers him. Crissy Criss and that shower are probably "A" "B" and "C" combined.

chico_red wrote:n.

what do you call Crissy Criss's "Kick Snare" release? 1 track is Dubstep, 1 track is Drumstep. There is no other way to put it! http://www.juno.co.uk/products/Kick-Sna ... 395745-01/

Personally I'd call it a waste of perfectly good vinyl and a stain on a legendary record label's illustrious musical legacy.

Triple fucking face palm

A drum & bass roller = A hip hop beat double timed. So a half-step, double timed beat.. where does that leave us!?

I think, if we're going to be making sweeping statements about bass music and what we think it is, it is worth acknowledging that there is such a thing as POST-DUBSTEP MUSIC. There is post-dubstep house, hip-hop, drum & bass, even pop. This is obviously post-dubstep drum & bass.

I dunno what kind of thing in 1997 was sounding like Steptoe or Spectrasoul Melodies..
This on the other hand is pretty fresh IMO, if not completely rooted in the hip-hop tempo and beat, but with the added bonus of fast dnb hats and bass.

madmeesh wrote:Triple fucking face palm

A drum & bass roller = A hip hop beat double timed. So a half-step, double timed beat.. where does that leave us!?

I think, if we're going to be making sweeping statements about bass music and what we think it is, it is worth acknowledging that there is such a thing as POST-DUBSTEP MUSIC. There is post-dubstep house, hip-hop, drum & bass, even pop. This is obviously post-dubstep drum & bass.

I dunno what kind of thing in 1997 was sounding like Steptoe or Spectrasoul Melodies..
This on the other hand is pretty fresh IMO, if not completely rooted in the hip-hop tempo and beat, but with the added bonus of fast dnb hats and bass.

DJ Ron - "Zulu March" on Parousia in 97 or thereabouts, for starters...

As for "post dubstep" music, yeah, dubstep has had a fair bit of (very welcome imo) influence on other styles of music, but this Amit tune on Metalheadz was out in 2004 - now obviously Dubstep was around by then too but no way was it looming large enough in the public consciousness to really have that impact, nor indeed were there a significant amount of halfsteppers around even in Dubstep... It's even entirely possible that the impact came from the other direction!



(what is it about youtube that people only ever seem to upload the steppy sides of all of Amit's classic early releases? it's like a conspiracy to stop me from proving my point in threads like this)

Anyway - Dubstep's most welcome and (hopefully enduring) legacy and impact on DnB has been a return to sparser more dynamic sounding tunes, and not in any particular patterns of beat construction IMO. Long may it fucking last.

I started to buy Dubstep back in the day because I found it refreshing that there were tunes with plenty of sub, subtly swung drum patterns, dark atmospheres and loads of space and depth to them in an era when DnB had turned into a "who makes the loudest snares and the most horrid bass" contest, and then I headed back to DnB when the same thing happened to Dubstep and all the interesting producers apart from Mala went off on their own tangents. Then I learned that names are just bullshit categories that are only useful if you're selling records or writing about them, far better to find a sound you like and try and find it in as many different places as possible.

Ooh, here's a 1995 one, Omni Trio - "London Step"; not 100% halftime, but it veers in and out of a definite halftime skank if you listen to the whole thing...

executive steve wrote:I started to buy Dubstep back in the day because I found it refreshing that there were tunes with plenty of sub, subtly swung drum patterns, dark atmospheres and loads of space and depth to them in an era when DnB had turned into a "who makes the loudest snares and the most horrid bass" contest, and then I headed back to DnB when the same thing happened to Dubstep and all the interesting producers apart from Mala went off on their own tangents.

Just out of curiousity - which trommel und bass artists are currently putting out the more subtle, atmospheric, subby, meditative stuff?