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...say how do you pronounce your name ???

dubmugga wrote:

WALSH wrote:And you ask whats wrong with agressive criticism??

Na mate nothing wrong with it at all, did you mean constructive by any chance?

no if i'd meant constructive i would have said constructive..

...I mean calling spades spades and not mincing words or worrying if you're gonna offend anyone

but thats just me..

...music stands on its own merits regardless of the egos or arseholedness of the people making it

for instance i know our shit is as good as most of whats out there bar a select few...

we have a saying in our industry

don't fucking make me come over there

Eh?

Ok, I'm still trying to understand this post. But this is what seems to be the message.

Despite people cowardly pussyfooting about and not naming names, it seems like the people being blamed for this lull are Youngsta, Hatcha, DMZ, Loefah, Kode9, Ammunition, Forward, Blackdown, Skream etc.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't all the complaints on this thread, aimed at that lot?

Paulie wrote:I think we'd all be quite interested to hear some aggressive criticism of the Forward styles your less enamoured with, Martin. I don't remember Sid or anyone else criticising any actual music, do you?

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Anonymous wrote:

Slengleteng wrote:what kind of set do Heartless play at FWD?

a backward one

this reference to 'mini lull' is being over stated to the whole of the scene. all i said was i personally hadn't felt the buzz in the last month or so. it doesnt apply to everyone. i fully expect to have the best time at DMZ05

geoff wrote:Ok, I'm still trying to understand this post. But this is what seems to be the message.

Despite people cowardly pussyfooting about and not naming names, it seems like the people being blamed for this lull are Youngsta, Hatcha, DMZ, Loefah, Kode9, Ammunition, Forward, Blackdown, Skream etc.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't all the complaints on this thread, aimed at that lot?

not at all i personally have the utmost respect for dmz with what they've done, kode with his label, and skream because he is who he is and yunx/hatch coz they rip it

dubmugga wrote:I dunno eh nonseq...

...there is already a division between the 1/2 step dub oriented stuff like kode9, DMZ which equates to conscious jungle and the hard industrial breakz of S&D and vex'd which would be the equivalent of techstep yet both come under the same dubstep banner

I love both styles.
My comment was a reaction to people upthread who were using the demise of techstep to exemplify their argument that purism, as a rule of nature, is a sure road to hell. Which is absolute bollocks.

m9918868 wrote:

Spaceboy wrote:ive purposely always promoted the label/sound to the breaks community - thats been my bridge...in the way i dj, the tunes i play, and the stuff we sign...others do dubstep and grime...i.e kode9 or ntype...
my reason was only to get sales and exposure up..which it has.

Fuck... you were on the bbww forum only for promotional reasons, you marketeer boy? Dunno if i should thank you or simply slap in the face

what the fuck else is there to do on a forum??? its the biggest fuckin distraction in my life...these wretched things! haha

Spaceboy wrote: not at all i personally have the utmost respect for dmz with what they've done, kode with his label, and skream because he is who he is and yunx/hatch coz they rip it

...reading between the lines i see a notable omission of the ammunition/forward people

*stirs the pot*



and nonseq i think purism is the easiest way to stagnate a scene...

We have it in hiphop over here where most everybody clones eastcoast/westcoast/dirtysouth OG american steez cos that is what is considered pure hiphop and too worried about not getting propped by a cliquey elite if they do something a bit different

...mash it up I say and don't worry too much about what it's called

Doesn't anyone have a f**kin job on this forum?

I'd just like to say this - the so called fracturing of the scene exits right here on forums and threads like this. No, its not down to journalists/bloggers choosing what they like and therefore write (or dont write) about - its about you lot arguing like children.

You're point is what? that breakstep doesn't get any love from the scene? I'm assuming then that the scene is primarily FWD>> and DMZ.

Oris Jay.... FWD>> Resident from inception. Release forthcoming on Ital.

Search & Destroy.... BOOKED AT FWD>> EARLIER THIS YEAR.

Hotflush.... BOOKED AT DMZ THIS MONTH.

I've also noticed that Hotflush have had gigs all over the world, even playing soon in New York along with Search & Destroy. No doubt partly due to their excellent self promotion skills. Good work, genuinely take my hat off to you. I don't see getting Hatcha booked abroad.

Perhaps then, its fair to conclude that - believe it or not - people do know about the breakstep sound despite Martin not personally focussing on it in his spare time. The artists are getting bookings and representation. Vex'd for instance have had a number of articles in various magazines from UK to USA (although they are hardly breakstep).

Frankly, if you can't just focus on making good music rather than how much attention you think you deserve, maybe you should just start doing breaks full time...

Could it be that this is an intergenerational dispute?
Between first and second wave dubstep?
Or maybe its second and third wave dubstep?

You know, like in Detroit techno, there was the first wave of the Belleville Three of Juan Atkins, Kevin Saundersen, Derrick May and then the second wave in the early 1990s of Carl Craig, Kenny Larkin, Richie Hawtin, Jeff Mills etc.

Theres alot of people into the whats being called the breakstep side, easily as many as whats being called the dubstep side of things, everyone in the breaks and DnB scene thinks the Breakier side is Dubstep. So fans of Dubstep (who aren't experts) are fans of what exactly? What i'm getting at is, if one side is as popular as another, why doesn't the media coverage reflect that? Because Martin doesn't like it? everyone's got there own taste, i respect that. So there needs to be someone writting who's enthusiastic about other areas in this scene otherwise its not a true picture..

katana wrote:I wouldn't say that dubstep is in a lull. But we want to be forwarding. So we should do new things. How about some other rythm measures. I got a track that's somehow dubby with middle eastern flavor which got a 6/8th-measure and is very dancable (at least for me). By the way it can be downloaded here: http://www.razmesinai.com/mp3/badawi-bedouin_raid.mp3
That would be one way of progression. And of course what already has been mentioned: No cheese, no purism, no subgenres, no No.

Big up Mr. Raz (if that's you). Bedouin Sound Clash and Soldier of Midian are in my box at all times!

Pinch wrote:Doesn't anyone have a f**kin job on this forum?

I'd just like to say this - the so called fracturing of the scene exits right here on forums and threads like this. No, its not down to journalists/bloggers choosing what they like and therefore write (or dont write) about - its about you lot arguing like children.

Frankly, if you can't just focus on making good music rather than how much attention you think you deserve, maybe you should just start doing breaks full time...

no, dad i don't have a real job and it's night time here anyway...

...yes, dad i like arguing

sorry dad for being an arsehole...

...and don't worry dad, things have a way of working themsleves out on the net and everybody eventually kisses and makes up

g'night dad, love you...XXX

Prior wrote: What i'm getting at is, if one side is as popular as another, why doesn't the media coverage reflect that? So there needs to be someone writting who's enthusiastic about other areas in this scene otherwise its not a true picture..

thats your problem isn't it? maybe one of the moaners on the this thread should pull their finger out their ass and start some breakstep journalism.

@ Prior- Thing is mate, what press are you talking about? Is anyone getting anything much really? In the magazines I don't think anyone's getting much love. Horsepower had a little bit a while ago, and the odd article like Skream in RWD this month but thats about it.

I can only assume that you mean online presence. As far as I'm aware, you've had coverage on some of the blogs etc in a vaguely similar proportion to the dub lot, if not on Blackdown's site. Maybe you should start your own blog to express what it is you feel isn't getting covered.

Also feel I should say this - theres nothing wrong in my eyes with mixing up the styles and its down to the DJs themselves to decide what they want to play. I also especially think that for a scene that needs to grow outwards we need both approaches. We need record buying public to start mixing in a bit of dubstep alongside their electro/breaks/grime/techno records cos its the only way they're gonna start buying it! No-one starts off with a full collection for a new genre and there's bugger all available on vinyl at the moment for the public to get hold of anyway.

We also need figures to conceptualise and take a focussed approach with their sets and production (as this is rapidly becoming intertwined - eg DMZ) in order to push the goal posts out further and as such develop new territory.

Anyone remember hearing 'Horror Show' for the first time at FWD>>? Sounded like something out of this world, yet its easy to see how simple it is now.

I think the word 'pure' is a bad choice for this expression however, it implies, conversely, the impure. So on that point I agree with Vex'd.

I'm outta here now.........

I have lost trail of what this whole topic is all about,
regardless of all previous comments, things are looking good for the scene all over, more labels releasing stuff, more nights playing the music, more overseas exposure, new artists popping up everywhere, there are many different styles to this sound, which ultimately is a good thing........ its all music at the end of the day. So, in regards the the origional point of this topic, I don't think dubstep is going thru a 'lull', it depends how you look at it......
Crack on.......

i agree with Mr Pinch on EVERY word!!!

dubstep in a lull. Are you f u k in mad. kode 9 is playing all over the world. Skream beats are being played by everyone
Even warprecords.com are promoting DMZ
and The DMZ nights get plugged on bbc radio 1

the scene is bigger and mre out there than it has ever been.

BUT this is typical british mentallity, no one wants to see a nex man do well for himself, without others breeding negativity.

THIS IS COMMONLY KNOWN AS BADMIND

no it's not. i was a personal thing that got misrepresented.