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If this is the general drug question answer thread...

Does anybody know any non-prescription drugs to help me combat somewhat-serious depression. Im too nervous to go to the doctor and last time i did i had counselling sessions that didn't help. So any recommendations would be great.

Weed and mushrooms my friend.


Pkay that's interesting I haven't heard from anyone who's been on it regularly for a while. What do you take it for? Pros/cons, etc.?

PRO: feels good
CON: addictive

:-/

idontreallygiveashit wrote:If this is the general drug question answer thread...

Does anybody know any non-prescription drugs to help me combat somewhat-serious depression. Im too nervous to go to the doctor and last time i did i had counselling sessions that didn't help. So any recommendations would be great.

It all depends on the type of depression you are feeling. Some people have suggested weed/shrooms, but that might not be the best answer depending on your mind set.

5htp is a natural solution to increasing and regulating serotonin levels which contribute to happiness and other things... start of with just 100 - 200mg a day and you should see a difference quite soon. Don't rely on them though. have a few days on, a few days off , and switch it up here and there so you don't become mentally dependant on having them routinely.

Weed can be good, but ONLY if it doesn't become a habit. if you treat it as a medicine for the mind which can help restore your brain's normal fucntioning and help you see things in a new light, it can help you. It's very easy to end up relying on weed for happiness.

"Everything in moderation, including moderation.'"

Don't under estimate things like Food and sleep too. try and eat more fruit and veg high in vitamin C and D and see what difference it makes. Try and swap refined sugar for honey or agave syrup too. Sleep as much as you can too , Passionflower is a natural light anti-depressant and can help make you mentally and physically relaxed and tired at nighttime helping natural sleep. As can Valerian root.

Maybe take some A-Z Multi-vitamins to compensate for what your body might not be getting enough of every day.

Find out what inspires you and move towards it. Plan towards the future and have things to work for which inspire you to be active in the day and spend more time putting energy into a goal as apposed to putting the energy into worrying about the future past or present. Plan to go to a music festival, a holiday, a course learning something you wanted to etc

The strongest piece of advice i can give, is to Face what consumes you...

Vulnerability can actually be a powerful tool if you switch it around like that. You're out of you're comfort zone so find out why that is, and face it head on. It wont be easy but sometimes we have to confront our mind when too many habitual and cyclic thinking patterns occur.

Approach it holistically from all angles of your life, so you're not just treating your depression, but you're also treating and improving upon your whole life.

Treat the root , not the symptom!

And Always remember; 'This too shall pass'

mylon wrote:d-T-r, you are oh so knowledgeable.

"A wise man knows he knows nothing"

All about collective knowledge.

Diet and exercise will definitely help depression, as well as other healthy habits like having a routine, having a regular sleep schedule, being social, having something to work hard at, etc. If your life is mundane, you'll just get stuck in a negative feedback loop. Step outside your comfort zone to break that cycle. Basically do the opposite of what you want to do when depressed. Instead of staying in and moping, letting your house get messy, stop taking care of yourself, etc. Do the opposite, try new things, don't make excuses, confront your problems, be positive and appreciate things that bring you joy.

If you're certain it's nothing to do with your lifestyle (which is rare) and believe it actually is a chemical imbalance, then don't be a pussy, go to a doctor. If they make you talk to a therapist don't balk at it and resist. Recognize it as an opportunity to better yourself and be honest and open.

You may find mdma to be helpful in working through emotional issues. 5HTP was already mentioned. Do some research online, there's lots of natural mood enhancers and supplements you can get. Focusing on holistic health is the way to fix your problems. Everything is interrelated.

Thanks for the responses guys, massive respect for D-t-r, Sunk Lo and everybody else for their advice.

On the whole cannabis thing, i used to use regularly when i was 16-17. The sad thing is, they were actually some of the best times i had. But now, 19, im still living with my parents and dont have any friends to smoke with (not just users, just friends generally) and i have a few old contacts on my phone but trust me, these guys weren't friendly and im the most muggable person i know! I used to smoke in my house but it was risky shit and my sisters clocked it once, pretty awkward situation. But they were some good times. I only have one person i would call a friend and he uses from time to time (and just my kind of drug user, responsible and uses it for personal and somewhat spiritual benefits unlike my old friends who were just complete waste) and we always say that we'll get a spliff on but hes moved out to Uni and i commute there and its a hassle for me to get there. And when we link when im there its always between classes and stuff. And now that i think about it, it might not help as the reason im upset is inability to work on personal issues within myself.

The last time i used drugs was at a terrible music festival in august, shortly after my A-Level results came out and my plans went awry. It was also when i decided to distance myself from my old "friends" after i saw them gurning in a tent and it was the saddest thing i had ever seen. I was tripping acid at the time but i didn't get bad vibes from them, i just almost pitied them. They were just waste. I also vowed never to do MDMA after that weekend. Also, i dont drink :O which makes things harder when it comes to socialising, combined with some awful anxiety.

I'll take a trip to holland and barret tomorrow to see the 5-htp and just get some multi-vitamins. I've also had a gym-membership form lying on my desk for some time, i'll give that a go since my sisters ultra safe friends said they would gladly show me the ropes. I thought it would be weird at first but just realised i need some more male companionship. Plus i really need to go as i'm 6ft but weigh about 120lbs.

Sleep-wise, im always fatigued no matter how much i sleep. I normally get an average of 6 hours but more often i get 4. Sometimes i go through phases when i'm nocturnal (fall asleep at around 4pm, wake up 1am) and these are some of my most productive hours but it is impossible to function like that in society. I've been taking taking these dutty herbal tablets but they dont really help. I also have a poor diet which comes into play - i dont eat loads of crap, i just eat very little and the same foods constantly. But once or twice a week i get the opportunity to A LOT of what i like and i reckon if i didn't do that i would be anorexic.

As far as having any hobbies, i produce tunes (not dubstep) but my hard drive broke so i lost everything and im really gutted over it. I just failed my driving test for the second time over the tiniest fault so getting to courses, counseling, and just getting out of the house a bit is easy to blame on the effort of doing it without a car. I might start cycling. And on the subject of having things to aim for, i really want to transfer or start a new uni and course and i'm strongly considering transferring to California and start as a new person, become who i have always wanted to be, but this is looking increasingly unlikely due to costs and this is even more crushing, i just feel trapped. The uni that im at now is considered, by pretty much everyone, to be crap and my dad even told me i should be "ashamed" of going there!

I dont think it is a chemical imbalance, although i can safely say there has never been a time in my life i was truly happy. I know what i have to do but i'm struggling tremendously getting it done. This is why i asked for some medication advice, just something to give me a little motivation and stop me from getting trapped in negative-cycles. I'm going to read more on 5-htp, i always thought it was prescription and im taking the advice to make some changes in lifestyle to benefit my mindset.

Im really sorry if i turned this into my life story and i respect if you dont care or find this annoying, it just feels quite nice to let some things air. And it was your responses that got me thinking about this more.

Thanks to D-T-r and SunkLo, this has helped. I'm a mess!

It's cool man. People do care.

A lot of people are much older and still living with parents so don't worry about that--its not cheap moving out these days at all, even with a job.IT will happen when it happens--use that as motivation to do what you need to do.

I would maybe reconsider MDMA aswell It's not a be all and end all solution, but it really does help spark up empathy to others and to yourself as well a bit of euphoria. Which can be very self healing and transformative. Even if you get some and just vibe in your room on your own with some nice tunes, you will see the beneficial side of it. A lot of people do actually use it to treat depression and other things. Don't worry about the gurning either--its just part of the package . not a bad thing even if it doesnt always look great.

visionary artists alex grey 'tribute' to the 'founder'/popularizer of mdma .he obviously thinks he's done a good job Like any substance, you can abuse it or use it how ever u want.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Shulgin



Sounds like you're self aware enough to know what you need to do anyway--if you see anything else in holland and barret, look into it. Some of it is questionable( mostly the recommended doses) but the majority of it is pretty good for you. Combined with doing what you can to get into a fixed sleep routine and eat better, as well as the gym/exercise (which will help body be tired to maintain sleep routine), you should notice positive changes. The herbal tablets tend not to be strong enough or have a shit ratio of valerian in them which is probably the strongest sleep aid in them. Valerian is more expensive on its own but you feel the effect more than the mixed herb tablets. ( if it was sleep aid ones you were talking about)

Don't give up on the California idea either. Even if it has to be pushed back to a long term goal, at least it gives you structure to work with and something to work towards. A bit of traveling can also help, even if its just round Europe or a small holiday which will be cheaper but something to enjoy/look forward to which isnt so far away. being out in an unknown environment with no set route can definitely make you see things differently and appreciate the flow back home.Nature can give you a nice perspective too.

things like hardrives will come and go. use the destruction of all these tunes to make something creative. same thing happened to me before. Never fully recovered from loosing the patches i made though

You loose some tunes, you make some more

The more often you recognize that your thoughts are indeed just cycles, the less power the cycles have over influencing your well being. takes practice and we all get caught off guard from time to time but things always move on.

does take time but you can rewire it all from back to front. You already know what you need to do anyway

Thanks so much, again, for your words of wisdom. Yeah im upset about the tunes, but could be good to start from a clean slate as i was falling into the same formulas everytime. Just gutted about my lovingly pirated VSTs!

The thing about the parents thing is that i'm not ashamed that i live with them, it just makes things like taking drugs a lot harder.

But yet again, thank you.

Fuck drinking in social situations. It feels so much better to be on your A-game, it gives you an advantage to be next level. Drunk people can't really tell either, you just seem way smarter than them for some reason. Worst case scenario you can act drunk. A couple drinks can be alright if you're uncomfortable and tense, but once you learn to be in your element sober it can actually be more fun.

I'm the same as you regarding being a slim dude, nocturnal, eating habits, having my harddrive die, having no license at the age of 22, all my friends are in the neighbouring city for school so there's not many people around to hang out with, etc. I can't smoke around my parents either but what I've been doing is going out at night time and walking down to the train tracks to smoke a bowl. Afterwards I walk around for about 30 minutes and then head back in. It takes care of recreation and I really enjoy getting to smoke, plus I get out of the house, get some fresh air, and get some exercise from walking. If it wasn't for the snow I'd be biking around a bunch too.

Here's some tips that have worked for me: Wake up every day at the same time, even the weekends. Make yourself a nice breakfast as soon as you can muster an appetite. At first it'll be a bit difficult but eventually you'll start being hungry first thing in the morning and you'll also have an easier time waking up. Also, refrain from eating before bed since you'll sleep better, and will be hungrier in the morning.

Pick up some vitamins, 5htp if you want, and some protein powder. Also green tea is good, as well as some nice coffee if you're into that. Keep the coffees to one or two a day and have them after breakfast and before mid afternoon. Coffees at night time are a no-no.

For food, every day make yourself square meals. I usually hit up 3 eggs for protein, some form of grains, milk and cheese, and some fruit. You can have a solid fuckin breakfast with some scrambled eggs and brown rice in a burrito, plus an apple or something and a tea. A lot of times I'll have a bowl of cereal first thing to jump start my appetite and then eat the legit breakfast an hour later or so. There's a reason they call it the most important meal, it can make or break your day. Eat a light lunch so you don't get super tired in the afternoon. Then eat whatever for supper, get some meat in there and try to keep it relatively healthy.

Get that gym membership filled out and make up a workout plan. Work out every day! Doesn't matter if it's chump shit like pushups or situps, just get something done every day so you can check off that box. It's as much about the habit as it is about the actual exercise. Pick up one of those chin up bars and put it in the doorway of your bathroom or somewhere in the house. Every time you go under it, you have to do 10 chin ups. Try to get to the gym as much as possible and every day you can't, still do something at home. If you work out in small amounts every day and then have a few good sessions a week where you work out to total exhaustion, it'll all add up pretty quick. You'll put on weight as long as you're eating properly and downing protein after workouts. Not to mention you'll feel like superman getting his dick sucked. Seeing positive changes in your body and health because of work you put in feels great and only adds to your motivation to keep going.

If you're not into meditation, try to get into that. It's a bit slow and unfocused at first, but if you dedicate a little bit of time every day you will quickly get better and start to see benefits. When starting out most people do 15 minutes a day, which is minuscule compared to all the other time wasted. Eventually you'll bump it up to 30 minutes and then an hour... You'll be able to quiet your mind for longer and longer and will have more control over your thoughts and feelings.

Learn something new. There's always shit to learn about production, but you can also download some ebooks on something else that interests you and try to read a bit every day. Being proactive in educating yourself keeps your brain active and feeling good.

A lot of problems come from stagnation. I bet you have a substantial amount of free time in a day and a lot of things you wish you could do, yet fail to connect the two and start devoting your time to bettering your life, right? The deep feeling of wasted potential can really bring you down.

One of the most important things that keep all this other stuff on track is todo lists. Before you go to bed every night, write out all the things that are on your mind that you need to take care of the next day or in the coming week. Also have the things you do every day written down, like work out, meditate, read, etc. This will help you get to sleep because you don't have all these tasks bumping around the inside of your head. In the mornings, review your todo list and plan out your schedule. Having the order in which you're going to do things already figured out makes it very easy to keep the ball rolling since there's no deciding what to do now, etc. Have a check box next to every thing on your list. When you get it done, put a big proud check mark in that box and reflect on how following your list and staying motivated helped get one more thing checked off and moved you one step closer to being a better you. The next step naturally is using that confidence to move on to the next thing on your list and adding to your productive momentum.

Just having a checklist means I get so much more shit done, and forget so much less. There's many times where I'm reminded of a task but can't do it at the present moment. Writing it down means it'll get done eventually and reduces that feeling of "shit isn't there something I should do?" It's also a lot easier to prioritize when you just have to make a list. If you're deciding what to do next, a lot of time laziness will kick in and you'll end up wasting your time. But if you're only writing down things to do "later", it's a lot easier to maintain perspective and list out all the things that really need to be done. Adding the extra step between delegating the task and actually doing it keeps procrastination from fucking with your decision making.

Then every day, take the shit you didn't get done, figure out why it didn't get done and then plan how you're going to do it the next day. Write this down on your todo list along with any other shit you have to do the next day and then go to bed. Just following your list will make you so much more productive and will make you feel great. Especially once you start getting everything checked off for a given day. Getting 100% days feels super awesome.

At its roots, all of this shit is just building positive habits and the todo list is the thing that keeps it all organized. (which is a good habit in itself) If you can do all this for 30 days, it'll become automatic and will require much less willpower. It's crazy how it only takes a month to become a vastly better person. Not nearly as far away as it seems. Imagine if you started last month, where would you be now?

I'm thinking I should start an "Improve your life" thread where everyone can set goals for the month and track their progress and motivate each other. A more valiant version of the No Fap February thread if you will...

^^^ This

I feel honored to be in this guys signature. Great advice

If you really want to get out to Cali look into job placements and stuff out there, I'm sure there are some vineyards or something similair that would take you on as a farm hand and put you up for free. Also don't worry about the driving test failed 6 times, you'll get there evntually just gotta stick with it!

Wow, all this advice is spectacular. You guys are pretty amazing.

Im making a to-do list, it shaping up to be pretty intimidating but, like you said, it will be satisfying to mark everything off. I have even found an old set of weights and planned up a home workout routine in an old school .txt file. Mostly crunches and some light weights, but netter than nothing considering my physical shape. Someone told me about this ipod app thing where you get xp and level up for doing tasks on your list haha, sounds corny but he says its addictive and satisfying, and might be good to use modern technology for things other than crap games.

I'm also going to plan a whole week of food, starting on Monday, im likely to stick to it too, i think. Food isn't like exercise, is it? I have to do it!

To test some discipline, im going to re-start my, ahem, lucid dream journal (i'm a real man) that i had when i was 15 as a) It gives me a reason to wake up to log, and b) I just learned that 5htp sends you dreams into new levels of vivid, plus i remember gaining a lot from the few times i gained full lucidity, plus you'll wake up after every dream and its easy to decide to stay up or fall back asleep. Oh, and its pure fun.

Future plans, im going to draft up an e-mail to the universities i want to apply to in California, and seriously draft up this business idea i have. It's something, at least.

On drugs, I bought some 5htp earlier and im going to start a log to track its effectiveness, i'll post an abridged version here at the end of the week if there is an interest. If others track their progress with chemicals (legal or illegal,medicinal or recreational) and post the results here i reckon this could be a thread and a half. The "improve your life" thread idea is a good idea too, everyone could use a little support. Like D-t-r said, it's all about collective knowledge.

And i'm sincere in my thanks to SunkLo and D-t-r, as well as everyone else, i've never had such a positive response on a forum before, even on an anxiety forum, let alone the joke section of a music discussion forum. Big ups all round!

Yeah a dream journal is a good habit to get into. That's been on my prospective todo list for a while. Perfect time to get back into lucid dreaming if you're taking 5htp.
As an aside, if you've ever watched the Joe Rogan podcast, they're sponsored by a supplement company that his friend owns. They have a supplement called New Mood which has 5htp and some other nootropics. They have a money back guarantee on your first bottle, no need to send it back. So if you felt like being greasy you could order a bottle and then get an instant refund. I suppose if you end up liking them after that "trial" bottle you could order more

Also, find out about that app! Shit sounds awesome. It's seriously crazy how much effort we'll put into virtual rewards compared to real life. If you can combine the instantaneous virtual rewards of xp with the long term benefits of actually completing your goals it could mean big things.

The support community thing is vital too. I'm gonna get that achievements thread up and running soon (it's on my todo list )

I dunno where i'd put this other than here, and it may help other people make a decision on the matter of drugs.
This summer i lived with my GF. She got paid 1000$ a month because her mom died and the government had to. Or something(i really don't know). And, being two addicts in love, we spent almost all of that money on drugs. We were on a 4 night rotation of coke, shrooms, acid, and getting drunk. All was well, until about a month after we started when we both looked in the mirror and saw how tired and unhealthy we looked, we cried. Then smoked fat bowls to get over it (lol). I thought everything was pretty much over until we broke up and i was back at home smoking Kush (potpurri). I started noticing my heart felt weird. Wierder than usaul when smoking legal, so i stopped and layed down. A week later, after smoking two or three bowls (of weed) with a few people, my heart felt weird again. It kept happening, almost daily for about a month and started to subside. I've also noticed that i'm more paranoid than before, and sometimes experience minor anxiety attacks. I feel fine now, as the effects subsided slowly over a period of about 6 months.

Tl:dr Drugs will fuck you the fuck up, even if you think your fine, if you abuse them. The key is moderation, and having a reliable (if not trustworthy) dealer.

Indeed, usually you don't notice until you stop how much they affected you.

Think I found that app http://lifehacker.com/5616472/epicwin-t ... ilable-now

SunkLo wrote:
Yeah a dream journal is a good habit to get into. That's been on my prospective todo list for a while. Perfect time to get back into lucid dreaming if you're taking 5htp.
As an aside, if you've ever watched the Joe Rogan podcast, they're sponsored by a supplement company that his friend owns. They have a supplement called New Mood which has 5htp and some other nootropics. They have a money back guarantee on your first bottle, no need to send it back. So if you felt like being greasy you could order a bottle and then get an instant refund. I suppose if you end up liking them after that "trial" bottle you could order more

Also, find out about that app! Shit sounds awesome. It's seriously crazy how much effort we'll put into virtual rewards compared to real life. If you can combine the instantaneous virtual rewards of xp with the long term benefits of actually completing your goals it could mean big things.

The support community thing is vital too. I'm gonna get that achievements thread up and running soon (it's on my todo list )

Ohhhh... My friend was telling me where i could a bottle of 5htp for free and it was a "money back guarantee" thing and as you said that it was from the Joe Rogan podcast, it just clicked - he bums off Joe Rogan big time, so i guess thats where he saw it.

Yeah the app is called EpicWin (unfortunately) and i've already got like 300xp! Haha, shit is awesome.

And the dream journal thing, i just fell out of the habit because my sleep pattern got messed up, but as long as you have a regular schedule, fall asleep with some mantra like counting and repeating something along the lines of "1... I am dreaming" on each breath. You will recall one in the morning (hopefully), write it down. The following night you should do the same and i can say, from personal experience, that you will be recalling three or more dreams a night by the end of the week. After things get really vivid, you can try with the lucidity. Only every became fully lucid twice , but had hazy half-control dreams a couple times .

And i dont wanna sound like im bumming off technology (just got an old old g1 ipod touch, thats why) , but there is a diary App called Momento - you can tag people, places, events - it is sick being able to spot recurring themes and characters.

Try it tonight, could work for you. Good luck

Does anyone else's parents know they take drugs? Im pretty sure mine know & are cool about it. They both smoke a bit of weed & can be partial to a baloon themselves.

On the subject if they dont know & found out what do you think they would say?