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hurlingdervish wrote:

lojik wrote: Maybe people are getting confused between triplets and swing?

100 percent swing is triplets

Not completely true, Swing (for me) also changes the timing of the first Beat of every bar.

maybe your program does something funky but when its written:

and this can also include a degree of variation, even though its implied as triplets and can be loose as well

hurlingdervish wrote:maybe your program does something funky but when its written:

and this can also include a degree of variation, even though its implied as triplets and can be loose as well

Yeah fair enough. I think its because i have the infamous MPC3000 swings in logic that does some fuggery-pokery to my midi

Depone wrote:

hurlingdervish wrote:maybe your program does something funky but when its written:

and this can also include a degree of variation, even though its implied as triplets and can be loose as well

Yeah fair enough. I think its because i have the infamous MPC3000 swings in logic that does some fuggery-pokery to my midi

yea i figured i would put that out there as its useful to the topic of this thread in general...

but yea the groove stuff going on lately is more complicated (on the mpc a hidden LFO was attached to timing? is this true?), I'm assuming the "swings" in logic are like ableton's groove engine.... which also has "mpc" settings as well as other things

Just knocked these up to give a bit of an example:
Straight Beat

Swung Beat

Triplets

The results are very different between swing and triplets.

@ Hurlingdervish although that is true, there is alot of different levels of swing and the point is that although a high level of swing might make the form of triplets in terms of reading sheet music, but the middle note is missed out so it isnt strictly triplets.

lojik wrote:Just knocked these up to give a bit of an example:
Straight Beat

Swung Beat

Triplets

The results are very different between swing and triplets.

@ Hurlingdervish although that is true, there is alot of different levels of swing and the point is that although a high level of swing might make the form of triplets in terms of reading sheet music, but the middle note is missed out so it isnt strictly triplets.

of course there can be different variations, 0-100 percent 100 percent being triplet based 0 being straight based.

its still triplets even if you skip a note.

lojik wrote: Swung Beat

Triplets

these two are both triplet based. if you don't believe me, record the midi from the swung beat and put it over a triplet grid it will line up

The full swing and the triplets match up on the same grid with each other but because the swing restarts on the beat it doesn't seem like it

thats a sweet arrow i made there!!

Swing on an MPC is different than Swing on other sequencers.

It shifts notes both forward and backward, most just shift one direction.

contakt321 wrote:Swing on an MPC is different than Swing on other sequencers.

It shifts notes both forward and backward, most just shift one direction.

so i have heard. is it the LFO tied to note placement internally? thats what i heard....

but the thing is, most swing on sequencers is a relative concept because they are applying humanizing alterations. Its good to have the basic understanding of where the notes hit before its humanized, and all groovy like....maaaaan

FUCK HIHATS!!!!!!!

hurlingdervish wrote:

Depone wrote:

hurlingdervish wrote:maybe your program does something funky but when its written:

and this can also include a degree of variation, even though its implied as triplets and can be loose as well

Yeah fair enough. I think its because i have the infamous MPC3000 swings in logic that does some fuggery-pokery to my midi

yea i figured i would put that out there as its useful to the topic of this thread in general...

but yea the groove stuff going on lately is more complicated (on the mpc a hidden LFO was attached to timing? is this true?), I'm assuming the "swings" in logic are like ableton's groove engine.... which also has "mpc" settings as well as other things

I downloaded them to be put into logic. They are the exact midi swings extracted from the mpc via midi

triplet grid in ableton for the hats

straight on the kick and the snare

Depone wrote:

lojik wrote:Straight definately, but usually with quite a heavy swing, especially if it's one of my more 2 step things. I think people have been lying on the voting though, I hardly ever hear tracks with triplets on the hats yet that is winning by almost twice as many votes.

Many people are getting confused between triplets and swing?

I agree. seems strange as i rarely hear triplet quantised tunes (12ths instead of 16ths).

I sometimes program drums in 24ths... its more of a 'true' swung triplet feel ..

This thread is confusing the fuck out of me now.
Do triplets only exist in 3/4 time? Is a series of three hats in a row with swing straight then?

I was trying to get a pic up, but lost patience. This is supposed to represent a step sequencer, and how I often do my hats. Ive been writing alot on an old mc307 and I dont have the luxury of being able to do just the hats in 3/4. So I get a triplet feel by doing it this way in 4/4 with shuffle.
Are these triplets or straight?
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
- - - x x x - - - - ----- - - x x x -
I dunno why it coming up fucked when I submit the post. Hits are supposed to be on 4,5,6 and 13,14,15.

ninjadog wrote:This thread is confusing the fuck out of me now.
Do triplets only exist in 3/4 time? Is a series of three hats in a row with swing straight then?

I was trying to get a pic up, but lost patience. This is supposed to represent a step sequencer, and how I often do my hats. Ive been writing alot on an old mc307 and I dont have the luxury of being able to do just the hats in 3/4. So I get a triplet feel by doing it this way in 4/4 with shuffle.
Are these triplets or straight?
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
- - - x x x - - - - ----- - - x x x -
I dunno why it coming up fucked when I submit the post. Hits are supposed to be on 4,5,6 and 13,14,15.

a triplet is 3 notes in the space of 2, dog

2 can be sixteenths, eighths, etc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuplet

straight notes are the grid notes that your used to

play soundcloud link. hihats are on the triplets

lojik wrote:Just knocked these up to give a bit of an example:
Straight Beat

Swung Beat

Triplets

The results are very different between swing and triplets.

@ Hurlingdervish although that is true, there is alot of different levels of swing and the point is that although a high level of swing might make the form of triplets in terms of reading sheet music, but the middle note is missed out so it isnt strictly triplets.

Is it still called triplets when they are half this speed? you don't need to unquantise to do it, and lots of tracks use them. I pretty much use them in every track.

straight.

the triplet stuff just loses all the energy out of the tune.

triplets or a bit of shuffle is my way, feels more natural otherwise midi no quantization like a real drummer
anyone doubting listen to meshuggah that is the best drummer programmed or live