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Even if the music is in a lull ... its spreading, more and more people are getting into it, worldwide.

As for the factioning ... I dont see it as a good thing, I'd like to see more breaky stuff alongside the more purist dubstep. Thats just the way music seems to go these days.

and everyones asking themselves why people are leaving forward early and why nobody dances anymore.

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I dont know about the london scene but its not improving here..

factioned..not the music..the people..imo

Yeah, I'm with Diccon on this one. One of the reasons I love Dubstep (and Grime)is the mixture of rhtyhms and sounds you get. Especially moving over from DnB (which no pretty much sound the same) I prefer the breaky stuff, but love the skunked out half steppers the Grimey snappers and broken beat rollers. To be honest I really like to get away with just playing anything around that tempo (whether it be mr. scruff, prodigy or coki) in a club, but am hesitant to do as I have no idea how the audience would take it.

Perhaps it's time to try it out. :shock:

pete bubonic wrote:Perhaps it's time to try it out. :shock:

Ya man ! Go for it ! I use to do that here in Brussels and it is usually ok with the audience.

Blackdown wrote:
do what you like bro but from a dubstep DJing point of view, historically all the big advances for me have come from purism and not fusion sets.

i wrote about this here: http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID ... 9096692720[/url]

Kode9's set at fwd last week showed a focused direction and style. It brought together noise, minimalism, dubstep, grime, dubstep, industrial, rnb, ragga, as one. It was a coherent, focused, that wouldnt have been any other deejay apart from kode. It made the scene appear healthy, vibrant, and full of possibility. It made me want to go home and write music. These are not the feelings i have when i hear purist halfstep played for 4 hours straight.

I'm very glad the Bug is getting involved in this scene.

Also.. if you do not believe in fusion, why do you get so excited by the thought of grime deejays playing dubstep? This was surely the result of dubstep artists and promoters bringing grime into their sets, productions and community. If purism had prevailed, grime would have been exluded. The emphasis of purism is exclusion.

FWD used to smash a couple years back because you had a full lineup to please everyone i.e

Hatcha
OrisJay
Plasticman

Evrything under one roof repersenting the whol Dubstep/Breaks/Grime scene.
This small scene is being divided into smaller scenes which is no good for anyone.
At the end of the day the same people that buy a DMZ or a Tempa record will buy a Storming/Destructive/Hotflush record. There the fans that make this music and the raves happen. So why be different with the choice of DJ's at nights/Raves.....?

Blackdown wrote:

ThinKing wrote:From a UK only stance, I'd like to see more varied lineups reflecting the various facets of what I consider to be one scene - Toasty on the same bill as DMZ, Search & Destroy playing after Hatcha, you get the idea....

Most recordbuyers/club punters/fans of the music buy stuff from across the board at the moment, and for those that only have released tunes (vinyl/MP3) in their record bag are mixing all these styles together as well.

Certainly I like to mix it up, and I like to hear it mixed up as well.

do what you like bro but from a dubstep DJing point of view, historically all the big advances for me have come from purism and not fusion sets.

i wrote about this here: http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID ... 9096692720[/url]

this is interesting. I find it more challenging/rewarding as a DJ to take the listener on a journey through different styles. Having said that, it is clear that 'purism' has been essential to establishing each of those styles...

I think its cool for producers / DJ's to get deep into a certain sound, exploring the depths... but when it becomes a whole scene doing that, the sound quickly becomes stagnant and inwardly focused.

Evolution doesn't come from purism, it comes from integration, fundamentalism in any form insists that evolution does not take place, it resists change...
Purism kind of defies the whole term 'Forward' too, doesn't it? kind of like 'stationary' when you think about it..... ??
All music is a form of fusion, there is nothing pure left in this world anymore, everything is integrated, there is not a mould or formula for what music should be, its all just sound at the end of the day.

The thing I love about this music is the lack of bounderies, unlike most other forms of dance music around us.

I would hate for it to become defined and formulaic.

Blackdown wrote:
do what you like bro but from a dubstep DJing point of view, historically all the big advances for me have come from purism and not fusion sets.

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With all due respect I 100% disagree. In fact I'd say completely the opposite. Multi genre/style sets are more inventive and forward thinking from the ground up. Of course this is just my personal viewpoint. I also think that the factionalisation and the militant stance on new media forms are both holding/gonna hold the scene back. To have such factionalisation so soon is not, imho, a good thing.

Not too mention that I have heard a few people sayin they like the breaky end but not the 1/2step, so maybe that means that a significant proportion of new listeners are attracted to the possibly slightly more accessible breaky spectrum? Does a yound scene REALLY want to differentiate and split already? Its still only ickle...

Some of the best responses Ive had to beats is when I mix styles, its all about the switch!!!..... If your playing an upbeat tune then suddenly switch into a dubbed out/ grimey track the audience goes crazy and visa versa.

A prime example is when Joe Nice played at DMZ. He switched styles and the whole place went nuts!!!!

kymatik wrote:

Blackdown wrote: historically all the big advances for me have come from purism and not fusion sets.

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Which advances are these, surely most dance music genres have fused different sounds together, that what dance music does so well ?

This whole discussion seems pointless, Dubstep is such a small scene and there are so few events and records released compared to other genres that I can't see how you can tell if there IS a lull (compared to what) ?

The only thing that appears to be getting' on everyones tits is the fact that breakstep producers like Toasty, Distance, S&D etc are getting alienated from the events they SHOULD be playing at like DMZ ?

Rant Over

Distance wrote:Some of the best responses Ive had to beats is when I mix styles, its all about the switch!!!..... If your playing an upbeat tune then suddenly switch into a dubbed out/ grimey track the audience goes crazy and visa versa.

A prime example is when Joe Nice played at DMZ. He switched styles and the whole place went nuts!!!!

Bang on. One of the tunes of the night for me was some mix of Empire, it was so refreshing to have the growly mid range on that tune punch through with that destroyer bass.

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Blackdown wrote:
do what you like bro but from a dubstep DJing point of view, historically all the big advances for me have come from purism and not fusion sets.

i wrote about this here: http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID ... 9096692720[/url]

Kode9's set at fwd last week showed a focused direction and style. It brought together noise, minimalism, dubstep, grime, dubstep, industrial, rnb, ragga, as one. It was a coherent, focused, that wouldnt have been any other deejay apart from kode. It made the scene appear healthy, vibrant, and full of possibility. It made me want to go home and write music. These are not the feelings i have when i hear purist halfstep played for 4 hours straight.

I'm very glad the Bug is getting involved in this scene.

Also.. if you do not believe in fusion, why do you get so excited by the thought of grime deejays playing dubstep? This was surely the result of dubstep artists and promoters bringing grime into their sets, productions and community. If purism had prevailed, grime would have been exluded. The emphasis of purism is exclusion.

great post. i totally agree with you about 4 hours of one style. i think it's very important that promoters focus on drawing in new people to their parties every week. this is achieved by booking diversity week in and week out. mixing a more breaks oriented DJ, with a more minimal half time DJ. the reason i love this music is that it's so diverse and experimental. part of the reason why many people in dnb are getting cheesed off with that sound, is that it is so factionalized (dark,liquid,neuro,techy,choppage). i was never at the blue note, during it's peak, but from the tapes i've heard around 1996-97, the lineup's were so diverse. you'd have goldie, fabio, randall, dillinja all in the same venue. fast forward to dnb 2005, you're encouraged to support the divide in the sound rather than the diversity. it's a huge problem for dnb's future. in the blue note days, you'd have rasta's grooving next to raver pill head's.

elemental wrote:The thing I love about this music is the lack of bounderies, unlike most other forms of dance music around us. I would hate for it to become defined and formulaic.

That's exactly what pulled me -not completely though- from breaks to dubstep.

STEALTH wrote:This whole discussion seems pointless, Dubstep is such a small scene and there are so few events and records released compared to other genres that I can't see how you can tell if there IS a lull (compared to what) ?

Fact.