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kai just wrecked the thread

hardcore style!! lol im tweakin

at that BoC comment
ffs they've even stated they try to capture the emotion of being kids again in a lot of their tunes, it's far from beard stroking music

deadly habit wrote: at that BoC comment
ffs they've even stated they try to capture the emotion of being kids again in a lot of their tunes, it's far from beard stroking music

Just cos an artist has a specific intention in mind doesn't mean that's how the music actually comes out. In fact it's very often the case that intention and reception clash.

The reactions to my BoC comment highlight an intersting mentality in this thread, as pretty much everybody seems to have ignored the fact that I actually like them and said as much. More worrying, the actual point i was making has been totally overlooked while you flock to defend your own opinion of BoC (or at least to condemn mine). I dont actually care what anybody thinks of BoC, I was just saying that its not a valid comparison, thats all.

As for mister Boom headshot... I wasnt actually referring to you but you can your "headshot" if it means that much to you.

Apologies for grammar, Im typing on my phone.

Hope everybody had a good chrimbo

dnbscene_marc wrote: BoC is proper beard-stroking nerd-music, one for the real musos which is why they're so widely beloved by electronic musicians and geeky music journalists, as well as (hate to say it) 20-year-old hipsters.

tripwire22 wrote:

Mate, this is amazing.

haha i geuss we didnt wait long for either tripwire or kai topost up one of their collabs/ tracks ...

tracks good.

I feel I slightly instigated the direction this thread has taken...oops XD

marc, the point people are trying to get across here is that the tune you originally linked is musically quite simple and nothing particularly special, the dude simply put some violins in it to make it seem like it was orchestral genius and you fell for it. That's not to say that the tune isn't decent or that you shouldn't like it, just that it's melodies aren't as complex as you claimed. The reason I named artists that ranged from trip hop to techno to dubstep to new classical is because regardless of genre we were talking about powerful emotion in electronic music and I was just pointing out some much more powerful examples of people who actually capture real emotion in their tracks. I'm not claiming I myself can necessarily do this as I'm still pretty shitty as a producer but I can sure as hell name a lot of people that can

dnbscene_marc wrote:

deadly habit wrote:
As for mister Boom headshot... I wasnt actually referring to you but you can your "headshot" if it means that much to you.

It does. I am petty and childish, welcome to the internet.

You posted a track, when nobody thought it was as special as you did you attacked their tastes to make you feel more secure in your own, told them their comparisons were unjustified, and and pretty much straight out told people they were wrong. How did you think this thread was going to go? If people don't like a track you post you can't force them to by telling them they're wrong, just accept it, be secure in your own tastes and move on.

kaiori breathe wrote:Why? I played in blues and jazz bands for years, neither genre is as theoretically complicated as people like to pretend they are. A jazz composer wouldn't necessarily be of a higher standard than any given film score composer or pop composer. You're making an assumption that writing within certain genres requires a stronger level of knowledge which is untrue. Writing effectively, even to a formula, in any genre requires a strong level of knowledge, or at least a really really developed ear and naturally developed ability. There's no reason why a pop composer would have any less ability to write a film score than a jazz composer. Although, as I said previously, to write film scores you really need to be well versed in more than one genre. One genre will not cut it for film scoring.

So much straw man. I never said a jazz composer is better than a film composer. I'm talking about a style of film music. You don't need theory to be a musician, but once you get to the higher tiers of classical and jazz theory goes a long way and most of the greats study it heavily.

kaiori breathe wrote:Like I said, nothing wrong with writing to a formula.

I never said any different.

kaiori breathe wrote: What's you're point? A piece can only be good if it expresses a new emotion? If a death scene calls for a feeling of mourning you create a feeling of mourning you don't act like a dick and create a song that represents your craving an apple on a delightful Sunday morning in Autumn you experienced three years ago after a heated debate on political theory. It's the same emotion being rehashed because in most films the same emotions are presented, that's not the film scorers fault, or even a problem. There's nothing wrong with saying the same thing again in music.

Again, straw man. Emotions are constant, but the way in which you can express them are endless.

AllNightDayDream wrote:The same is true of film scores I've heard the same chord sequences voiced in billions of ways. You're making vast ignorant generalizations. I'll admit I'm generalizing at times too, but my generalizations aren't ignorantly shrugging off the work that goes into film scoring and declaring it to be easy. If it's so easy why aren't you writing film scores for a living? Even if it's not what you want to do with your life, since it's so easy you could knock a few out on any given day of the week, make a load of cash and spend it on gear to make the music you want to make. So why aren't you doing it since it's so easy?

I'm not shrugging their work, They make great music. I just made a little comment about my opinion of what scores people like these days and you blow it up like i'm bashing music. I'm not like others here who have a genuine hate for certain kinds of music.

Kaiori breathe wrote: I'll just let you digest what you actually said... Both films and music ARE made for the masses, there's billions in revenue generated every year from the mass production of each. Whether you like it or not, art has been reduced to a formula and sold to the masses. If you don't like that then go live in Alaska and listen to Japanoise while looking at Picassos covered in Damien Hursts shit. While carving the words "Fuck all art that follows a formula or is made for public consumption on mass IT'S ALL TERRIBLE" into your arm so you never forget how great art was before it all went 'cookie cutter'

Wow. Just wow. I love pop music just as much as I love the lesser known stuff. I make mostly house music which is very formulaic, and I love playing within it. You're putting SO MANY words into my mouth it's unbelievable.

Kaiori breathe wrote: ... You've just simplified my hypothetical to a child like level to try to discredit it, poor way to make a point. I was saying that given the number of changes in a scene (camera angles, dialogue, emotional movements that you need to be able to write music that fits that, i.e., music that moves through new sections) - again thought my hypothetical was pretty simple and it was obvious what I meant but apparently not since you think I'm talking about making a 30 second drone (coincidentally if your idea of creating an 'atmosphere' is a simple drone I hope you never get to write film scores) not an easy task for most composers with no experience of writing anything other than 3 minute songs.

A drone can make for a great atmosphere imo, and I was talking mainly about the style of the videos that were posted, which didn't relate to the DNB track at all. The more animate style in the OP track takes a higher degree of compositional skill (not that he executed it very well), I guess that's ultimately what I'm saying

I would write something that shits all over it if I gave a shit about proving myself on forums, unfortunately I don't.

Obviously you don't give a shit about proving yourself on a forum, hence the fucking essays all over the page...

Seriously though everyone, stop being such a bunch of bell ends. Films are hard to write effectively for, well done if you can do it, tune is nice, who gives a shit, lets move on.

Kochari wrote:

I would write something that shits all over it if I gave a shit about proving myself on forums, unfortunately I don't.

Obviously you don't give a shit about proving yourself on a forum, hence the fucking essays all over the page...

The essays were more about trying to explain why writing film scores isn't easy than it was about me proving myself, I don't recall at any point in my 'essays' defending myself, just film score composition and film score composers, but if you want to look at it that way and swear at me then feel fucking free.

corpu5 wrote:haha i geuss we didnt wait long for either tripwire or kai topost up one of their collabs/ tracks ...

tracks good.

had to see it coming and im enjoyin the hate in this thread quite a bit no lie

tripwire22 wrote:

corpu5 wrote:haha i geuss we didnt wait long for either tripwire or kai topost up one of their collabs/ tracks ...

tracks good.

had to see it coming and im enjoyin the hate in this thread quite a bit no lie

yea man me too, this thread's got awkward sauce drenched all over it

corpu5 wrote: yea man me too, this thread's got awkward sauce drenched all over it

I like to spend my nights getting naked in the moonlight rubbing myself down in awkward sauce, I usually try to time it so my neighbor sees me as she takes her dog out to piss, sometimes I like to put a pen up my ass while I'm doing it. I'm trying to work my way up to a full dildo.

This thread is, for all intensive purposes, pretty entertaining. This thread was obviously someone suggesting a track they thought was amazing, but I can't help but think that there was yet another side to the post where someone who ran another dubstep forum trying to, maybe unintentionally, say that "my site is better cause we have music like this".

I'm sure there are going to be people that like this, but I think there are going to be a lot of others that don't. For me, it's pretty disappointing as I stated before. I mean really, a whole bunch of orchestral samples played over a poorly designed dubstep track. That's all it really is to me. I really have no idea how this even became a thread about film score composition, as this doesn't even compare in the slightest. Opinions are just opinions, and people I think take them to seriously. When posting something like this you should already expect people to say they don't like it for whatever reason, and just brush it off.

kaiori breathe wrote:

corpu5 wrote: yea man me too, this thread's got awkward sauce drenched all over it

I like to spend my nights getting naked in the moonlight rubbing myself down in awkward sauce, I usually try to time it so my neighbor sees me as she takes her dog out to piss, sometimes I like to put a pen up my ass while I'm doing it. I'm trying to work my way up to a full dildo.

this is how ima find my wife

kaiori breathe wrote:

corpu5 wrote: yea man me too, this thread's got awkward sauce drenched all over it

I like to spend my nights getting naked in the moonlight rubbing myself down in awkward sauce, I usually try to time it so my neighbor sees me as she takes her dog out to piss, sometimes I like to put a pen up my ass while I'm doing it. I'm trying to work my way up to a full dildo.

oh dear kai you can better than that surely, so amateur!
It's all about shitting in a condom and deep freezing it, then shoving it up your arse. Pen's are for the little boys ...

I GOTZ A NEW PROFILE PHOTO AVATAR THING YES lol

also TC u gonna comment on my linked track and tell me i win or what?

corpu5 wrote:Pen's are for the little boys ...

Well that's where I got the idea to start using them on myself...

Everything in this thread sounds theory-beating... not emotional, paint by numbers, difference.