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belalala wrote:nowaysj isn't Glenn Beck, he's merely pointing out all of the inconvenient truths that most Americans choose to live under complacently. social unrest has been dead in this country since the 70s and isn't coming back anytime soon with the general population's attitude of "it'll all be okay, we're America god dammit!"

why is it that when you present yourself as someone who finds this country to be fucked, then you're likened to sensationalist conservatives? granted, I don't think rationalizing loose gun control laws through failed health care and the job market is the right way of looking at things at all (anti guns entirely), but he did have a lot of valid points on this ol' sinking ship.

belalala wrote:I don't think rationalizing loose gun control laws through failed health care and the job market is the right way of looking at things at all

svpreme wrote:Furthermore, I think it should be understood that in most states, you can't GET a gun legally without an extensive background + psychological check. Getting a concealed carry permit is even harder, you really have to have a spotless record and a good psychological profile, and even then it's not like a given, I know many law-abiding people who have applied and gotten rejected.

Of course, I'm not trying to say that some crazy bastards don't slip through the cracks and manage to get their hands on guns and do horrible things with them, but that would happen regardless.

I'd wager that 99% of people who obtain guns legally in this country don't do it for insidious purposes. Mental health being a variable factor isn't leverage enough to demonize legal and responsible firearm ownership in general.

belalala wrote:Genevieve, it is not a personal view that frustrates me, but rather a majority opinion in this country that directly affects policy that I have to live under.

pkay wrote:

svpreme wrote:Furthermore, I think it should be understood that in most states, you can't GET a gun legally without an extensive background + psychological check. Getting a concealed carry permit is even harder, you really have to have a spotless record and a good psychological profile, and even then it's not like a given, I know many law-abiding people who have applied and gotten rejected.

Of course, I'm not trying to say that some crazy bastards don't slip through the cracks and manage to get their hands on guns and do horrible things with them, but that would happen regardless.

I'd wager that 99% of people who obtain guns legally in this country don't do it for insidious purposes. Mental health being a variable factor isn't leverage enough to demonize legal and responsible firearm ownership in general.

Virginia Tech homeboy legally obtained a gun. He also had previous doctors diagnose him with mental disorders.

I'm a realist on the subject tho.... what would happen to El Paso if Texans weren't allowed to carry guns? Do you think the police could defend the city given the nature of Juarez.


Also on the subject of gun control. It's illegal to carry a gun in Mexico, hows that working out for Mexico?

LACE wrote:
Bushmaster AR-15 Semiautomatic Rifle


Barrett M82/XM500


Stag-15L

Just a taste of what we owned when I was in the US for a short while after the 2004 Assault Weapons law expired.
You want to have your guns fine..but these aren't really necessary.

noam wrote:goal of slowly phasing out the ability for pretty much everyone to have the right to own weapons

noam wrote:the culture of inbred and ingrained violence in society

Incapacitated by the breakdown of transportation and communication, as well as overwhelmed in terms of numbers, police officers could do little to stop crime, and shopkeepers who remained behind were left to defend their property alone.[42] Looters included gangs of armed gunmen,[citation needed] and gunfire was heard in parts of the city. Along with violent, armed robbery of non-essential valuable goods,[citation needed] many incidents were of residents simply taking food, water, and other commodities from unstaffed grocery stores.[citation needed] There were also reports of some police officers looting.[43] Significant looting continued in areas of the city with few, if any permanent residents, such as the Lakeview, Gentilly, and the Midcity regions.[44]

"Sniper fire" was also reported throughout the city, targeted at rescue helicopters, relief workers, and police officers. One of the possible causes of the sniper fire was resistance to relocation or evacuation.[45] One report of violence involved police killing two people on the Danziger Bridge, which carries the Chef Menteur Highway across the industrial canal, who were unarmed and whose homicides were later found to have been covered up by the New Orleans police who planted a gun and fabricated a story about being under fire [46]

svpreme wrote:

noam wrote:the culture of inbred and ingrained violence in society

Ah, yes, because, you know, this is definitely...DEFINITELY something that humanity can and will overcome, and is only a problem in the US, anyway. ^______^

I want some of what you're smoking.