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Honestly the bbfc have the longest history of being retards. At least this time they aren't just giving in to media pressure though.

And on the subject of the film. Yep it sounds pointless and a cash cow.

And who ever said "even Ichi the killer has merits..." what's that supposed to mean. It's obviously a great movie. No question

wolf89 wrote:And who ever said "even Ichi the killer has merits..." what's that supposed to mean. It's obviously a great movie. No question

I said I could work out the point... it is indeed a very good movie (dunno about great). It has a plot, but more importantly it has some brilliant characters who develop motives you can understand for acts of extreme violence - there's a reason pulling you to watch a man hung by rings pierced through his skin having boiling fat poured all over him. It makes sense and therefore it's not just gore-porn, it's an extreme piece of art.

I singled it out because in the selection of films that have almost cartoonishly extreme violence, it's one of the few that actually stand up as a coherent work rather than just a futile exercise in shocking the viewer.

"an extreme piece of art."

firky wrote:"an extreme piece of art."

Expand your point or fuck off firky.

I'm guessing his reason for extreme unexplainable violence is to suggest that we all have these depths within us, but only some choose to plumb them. that's what upsets (frightens) moralists.

The first film was a comedy.... The director probably went home laughing every night while making the sequel because branding it "The sickest movie ever" is without a doubt THE best marketing you can have!

Badman Juice wrote:I'm guessing his reason for extreme unexplainable violence is to suggest that we all have these depths within us, but only some choose to plumb them. that's what upsets (frightens) moralists.

I am not sure there is anything to be intellectualised from it. It's hard to tell without seeing the film but from the article it seems that it was the sexualisation of violence and suffering was the main protagonist of the film. I don't think it's supposed to hold up a mirror to ourselves or anything, I think it's a film about well.. the sexualisation of violence. That's what the BBFC object to I think.

Personally I'd like to make my own mind up and not the BBFC, so I'll be one of the tens of millions who will now download it as a result of the banning!

magma wrote:

firky wrote:

Expand your point or fuck off firky.

You wrote it. Read what you will into it

"an extreme piece of art."

well maybe that wasn't his intention but I still think it's an underlying reason for their repulsion.

Badman Juice wrote:well maybe that wasn't his intention but I still think it's an underlying reason for their repulsion.

£10 says that in 2020 we'll see Dot Cotton on Eastenders going through similar experiences.

Derren Brown will be cast as 'a tnuc' who inflicts the pain.

Am off for a smoke and am gonna make some pancakes, I'll give Cheryl a wave as I go through Heaton.

Intergrated Society wrote:They let Salo go and ban this?

salo was super arty though, its had a criterion release and shit

firky wrote:

Badman Juice wrote:I'm guessing his reason for extreme unexplainable violence is to suggest that we all have these depths within us, but only some choose to plumb them. that's what upsets (frightens) moralists.

I am not sure there is anything to be intellectualised from it. It's hard to tell without seeing the film but from the article it seems that it was the sexualisation of violence and suffering was the main protagonist of the film. I don't think it's supposed to hold up a mirror to ourselves or anything, I think it's a film about well.. the sexualisation of violence. That's what the BBFC object to I think.

Personally I'd like to make my own mind up and not the BBFC, so I'll be one of the tens of millions who will now download it as a result of the banning!

magma wrote:

firky wrote:

Expand your point or fuck off firky.

You wrote it. Read what you will into it

"an extreme piece of art."

I see. Your usual standard of comment. I don't know why anyone bothers, tbh.

If you are able to expand on why Ichi the Killer is either not "extreme" or a "piece of art", be my guest. I'd be surprised if you could though, because you're a fucking moron.

wub wrote:"The film then focuses on his fantasies and the torture he inflicts. One scene involves him wrapping barbed wire around his penis and raping the woman at the end of the centipede, having become aroused by the sight of his victims being forced to defecate into each others' mouths."

And I'm done with my porridge for the morning.

in Se7en a guy rapes a woman with Razor from Robot Wars...

jus sayin

magma wrote:

firky wrote:

Badman Juice wrote:I'm guessing his reason for extreme unexplainable violence is to suggest that we all have these depths within us, but only some choose to plumb them. that's what upsets (frightens) moralists.

I am not sure there is anything to be intellectualised from it. It's hard to tell without seeing the film but from the article it seems that it was the sexualisation of violence and suffering was the main protagonist of the film. I don't think it's supposed to hold up a mirror to ourselves or anything, I think it's a film about well.. the sexualisation of violence. That's what the BBFC object to I think.

Personally I'd like to make my own mind up and not the BBFC, so I'll be one of the tens of millions who will now download it as a result of the banning!

magma wrote:

firky wrote:

Expand your point or fuck off firky.

You wrote it. Read what you will into it

"an extreme piece of art."

I see. Your usual standard of comment. I don't know why anyone bothers, tbh.

If you are able to expand on why Ichi the Killer is either not "extreme" or a "piece of art", be my guest. I'd be surprised if you could though, because you're a fucking moron.

well a piece of art is only 'extreme' if you put it in a certain context. so it's meaningless to describe a piece of art as 'extreme' unless you state the locus of your perspective.

extraordinary is more accurate/useful.

noam wrote:

wub wrote:"The film then focuses on his fantasies and the torture he inflicts. One scene involves him wrapping barbed wire around his penis and raping the woman at the end of the centipede, having become aroused by the sight of his victims being forced to defecate into each others' mouths."

And I'm done with my porridge for the morning.

in Se7en a guy rapes a woman with Razor from Robot Wars...

jus sayin

You don't see the shit in Se7en though.

It's like when the bbfc cut the nipple slashing from New York Ripper. You still know it happens but the bbfc decided you can't be allowed to see the blade actually cut across the boob as it sexualizes the violence aparantly.

Badman Juice wrote:

magma wrote:

firky wrote:

Badman Juice wrote:I'm guessing his reason for extreme unexplainable violence is to suggest that we all have these depths within us, but only some choose to plumb them. that's what upsets (frightens) moralists.

I am not sure there is anything to be intellectualised from it. It's hard to tell without seeing the film but from the article it seems that it was the sexualisation of violence and suffering was the main protagonist of the film. I don't think it's supposed to hold up a mirror to ourselves or anything, I think it's a film about well.. the sexualisation of violence. That's what the BBFC object to I think.

Personally I'd like to make my own mind up and not the BBFC, so I'll be one of the tens of millions who will now download it as a result of the banning!

magma wrote:

firky wrote:

Expand your point or fuck off firky.

You wrote it. Read what you will into it

"an extreme piece of art."

I see. Your usual standard of comment. I don't know why anyone bothers, tbh.

If you are able to expand on why Ichi the Killer is either not "extreme" or a "piece of art", be my guest. I'd be surprised if you could though, because you're a fucking moron.

well a piece of art is only 'extreme' if you put it in a certain context. so it's meaningless to describe a piece of art as 'extreme' unless you state the locus of your perspective.

extraordinary is more accurate/useful.

It's better to let the precious figure it out themselves trolololol and all that.

lol 'extreme piece of art' reminds me of "Tempa T’s take on the aggressive black male terrorising nice white students in Next Hype is only initially rather alarming"

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/ ... 028922.ece

From that article:

"Ed Balls’s Department for Children,"

The name that keeps on giving.