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I have an art school analogy...

There is this gereral sentiment..or there was back in the 90's when I first went to college...

That there is a difference between artists and technicians...

a technician being a person with incredible skill but little artistic vision/direction...
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and an artist being a person with lots of direction - and sometimes with not enough patience
...or sometimes with too much everything else - to sit in a room and master the technique...or multiple ones...

and it's not to say that a technnician can never be relevant
nor is it to say that artists aren't proficient...

but I have seen alot of technicians - and that is the state of pop music right now, in my opinion...

Technicians are at the front bringing shitty art direction.

bright maroon wrote:I have an art school analogy...

There is this gereral sentiment..or there was back in the 90's when I first went to college...

That there is a difference between artists and technicians...

a technician being a person with incredible skill but little artistic vision/direction...
-
and an artist being a person with lots of direction - and sometimes with not enough patience
...or sometimes with too much everything else - to sit in a room and master the technique...or multiple ones...

and it's not to say that a technnician can never be relevant
nor is it to say that artists aren't proficient...

but I have seen alot of technicians - and that is the state of pop music right now, in my opinion...

Technicians are at the front bringing shitty art direction.

That''s a sick post still.

And how does the corruption of society fall into this?

People cheering at the execution of 250 some texan inmates at a campaign rally is a much better indicator if you ask me

i like that gwen stefani rich girl song

AllNightDayDream wrote:And how does the corruption of society fall into this?

People cheering at the execution of 250 some texan inmates at a campaign rally is a much better indicator if you ask me

exacto fuckin lootly

People who have the ability to create art are sacrificing it for commercial gain. Art is by definition made for it's own sake. If you make a song, or paint a picture for money or fame, it ceases to be art. And that is indicative of what is happening across the whole of society, human progress is being halted and held back because of the system we live in. Drugs companies would rather find ways of treating diseases than curing them; they killed the electric car; you get a cheap piece of furniture that'll break on you in 5 years instead of something that'll last a lifetime and beyond; we have begun to define what is 'best' with what is most economically beneficial, becaus that is what's best for the individual within our society, but it is not necessarily equitable with what is actually best for humanity as a whole. What is happening in the music industry is happening everywhere, the system we live in is beginning to strangle human progress.

hutyluty wrote:i like that gwen stefani rich girl song

better

xarcane wrote:People who have the ability to create art are sacrificing it for commercial gain. Art is by definition made for it's own sake. If you make a song, or paint a picture for money or fame, it ceases to be art. And that is indicative of what is happening across the whole of society, human progress is being halted and held back because of the system we live in. Drugs companies would rather find ways of treating diseases than curing them; they killed the electric car; you get a cheap piece of furniture that'll break on you in 5 years instead of something that'll last a lifetime and beyond; we have begun to define what is 'best' with what is most economically beneficial rather than what is actually best for humanity. What is happening in the music industry is happening everywhere, the system we live in is beginning to strangle human progress.

what are you talking about?
how old are you?
shit`s been like this for ever

it`s not strangling human progress at all.
human`s will always progress, it`s just part of our nature.
step out of your commercial BS life and educate yourself as to the ways of the world
you create your own environment

particle-jim wrote:

hutyluty wrote:i like that gwen stefani rich girl song

better

"fiddler on the roof" lol

shit`s been like this for ever

it`s not strangling human progress at all.
human`s will always progress, it`s just part of our nature

Now that's gotta be the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard. I should be asking how old you are tbh.

Electric_Head wrote:you create your own environment

xarcane wrote:People who have the ability to create art are sacrificing it for commercial gain. Art is by definition made for it's own sake. If you make a song, or paint a picture for money or fame, it ceases to be art. And that is indicative of what is happening across the whole of society, human progress is being halted and held back because of the system we live in. Drugs companies would rather find ways of treating diseases than curing them; they killed the electric car; you get a cheap piece of furniture that'll break on you in 5 years instead of something that'll last a lifetime and beyond; we have begun to define what is 'best' with what is most economically beneficial, becaus that is what's best for the individual within our society, but it is not necessarily equitable with what is actually best for humanity as a whole. What is happening in the music industry is happening everywhere, the system we live in is beginning to strangle human progress.

I'd really like to agree with this but I can't

Does the work of Titian, Michaelangelo or any other of those masters that benefited from Papal / Royal patronage not remain as art? Picasso sold pieces for massive amounts of money and lived off the Sterns support does his later work have less artistic merit than his earlier work when he was skint?

I agree that there remains built in obsoletion, it is in companies interests to maintain a shelf life for their products so they can charge you multiple times but I don't know we can compare with people making music and trying to earn a living doing the same.

xarcane wrote:

shit`s been like this for ever

it`s not strangling human progress at all.
human`s will always progress, it`s just part of our nature

Now that's gotta be the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard. I should be asking how old you are tbh.

I`m 33, I`ve seen shit progress all the time through the 80s shitty music, clothing, you name it.
The stupidity of racist South Africa in the 90s.
You name it, shit changes and progresses.
2 unlimited for one was enough to make me cringe at music but yet here we are with an amazing influx of music 20 years later.
You are posting like a child that is upset his porridge is cold.
Shit happens, but we will continue to break ground, progress arts, etc.

Pop music is such a bad example of human progression it's sad.
Music as a whole is about progression.
Just steer clear of this shit progression and focus on everything amazing.
simple

Actually allow Gwen Stefani then, I wasn't sure whether she actually sold out or whether she was just strange; "rich girl" was the deciding factor, because it was so so fundamentally opposed to what she'd said before.

It ain't that you can't be rich and be an artist, there are plenty of rich artists. But you don't make art to cater to other people or it's not art, you make art for its own sake. Art whether it's music, sculpture, film, writing, dance is something that has been made for its own sake, not to please other people.

Then you rule out a vast amount of art created over the years including the Sistine chapel. Artists have sought and accepted patronage and commissions from day dot, the fact that many allowed the commisions to subsidise other work doesn't denigrate that work that was commisioned.

If I post a picture here is it art only until you find the artist was paid to produce it?

i can sort of see what the OP's getting at

you have to admit there isnt many things these days that aren't exploited and commodified.

xarcane wrote:

shit`s been like this for ever

it`s not strangling human progress at all.
everything will always progress, it`s just part of nature

Now that's gotta be the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard. I should be asking how old you are tbh.

not really, but fixx0red a bit anyway

xarcane - What is art?
have fun answering one of the most unanswerable questions ever and then repeat half the crap you've spouted in this thread. And then come to the realisation that you may not like all art in the world. then go to the shops, have a drink.

fassyman wrote:i can sort of see what the OP's getting at

you have to admit there isnt many things these days that aren't exploited and commodified.

yeh, that young busker was certainly exploited when he was given a contract and subsequent multi-million dollar career opportunity

Well shit may have progressed in our lifetime, but regression is as big a part of human history as progression is. Christianity caused progression for a while, stopped the cruelty of the Roman arena, etc. but then it drove the whole of Europe into a massive regression known as the Dark Ages, and now it's one of the most regressive forces in our society. Capitalism may cause progression for a while, but if allowed to roam free it is capable of causing huge regression. People are already abandoning values in search of economic benefit, was there not a video posted, where a trader claimed he "dreamed" of another recession? Did not all electric cars get recalled by General Motors, because it intefered with their profit motive? Are people not creating waste and consuming more of our resources by building inferior products that break down because of the profit motive in building cheap goods for the consumer? You cannot deny it as it is happening in front of our eyes.

lloydnoise wrote:

fassyman wrote:i can sort of see what the OP's getting at

you have to admit there isnt many things these days that aren't exploited and commodified.

yeh, that young busker was certainly exploited when he was given a contract and subsequent multi-million dollar career opportunity

bieber earns a tiny fraction of the money he generates