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Re: Dubstep's History...
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:34 pm
by Sonika
RAMADANMAN has one? My god, I've got a lot of watching to do...
And yeah the woman seemed a bit of a twat to me, idk
Re: Dubstep's History...
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:39 pm
by alphacat
jsml wrote:alphacat wrote:Mad Professor also tried to hitch a little publicity from Jungle back inna day too
in fairness though, there are some killer tunes on that jungle album he did.
and both scientist and lee perry have messed around with dubstep too, i don't really think they're "cashing in", it's just a logical progression.
not heard the mad professor stuff so i can't comment, but a lot of dub/reggae these days is leaning towards dubstep anyway, especcially the "steppas" kind of sound.
Oh absolutely - that Professor LP (Mazaruni) was tight as fuck; the aesthetics that all of these styles share and to a large degree inherit from dub - whether directly or indirectly - are larger than mere genres. To an extent it is a logical progression with the rootsmen looking to the 'nuum for future generations of fans. But don't kid yourself if you don't think there isn't just a little bit of an attempt to make coin from a hot brand either. Jamaicans tend to be incredibly pragmatic about music, and among Jamaican musicians it's as valid to try and pay the bills with it as to try and create a new artistic statement. The conceit about struggling for your art holds much less water in places with dire poverty.
re: Steppas sound & the shift towards dubsteppy/electronica sounds in mainstream reggae & dancehall - technology is the lowest common denominator here, and also explains the rise of similar sounds being used in hip-hop too...
Step 1: an underground sound makes enough of a splash that people start to recognize it, even if in the most superficial way (see trance arps, jungle breaks, wobble bass, etc. etc.)
Step 2: an electronic music equipment manufacturer (hardware or software) smells profit in the idea of including an instant trance-o-matic arp/amen-o-mator break/wobbletron 8000 feature for all the 14 year olds and amateurs who won't be bothered to learn how synthesis or anything like that works and just want 2 make bangerzzzz, yo. Sometimes these features even sound good but lose value within the originating underground sound because everybody rinses the fuck out of them.
Step 3: somebody who wants to make gangsta rap or electronic metal or something similar buys said product with said trance-o-matic arp/amen-o-mator break/wobbletron 8000 feature and applies it to their tunes, knowing absolutely nothing about trance/DnB/dubstep/whatever. People hail their brilliance at genre crossover - and despite not knowing the first thing about what the other sound they're credited with co-opting is really all about - they lay claim to being a master of that style too, and "were really into it all along but you know those underground guys are so elitist and I wanted to bring the sound to the people"...
Step 4: original underground sound that started this whole cycle either experiences mass defections of people looking for next big-er, um, 'secret' scene they can call their own and say they've been into since day 1, OR the sound experiences radical, sometimes reactionary changes as a result of backlash over their sound being co-opted by a mainstreamer. No longer sounds much like the original, so much that people give it a new name...
Step 5: go to Step 1.
Re: Dubstep's History...
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:18 pm
by dickman69
yeah the interviewers are so bad most the time
MF Doom's is funny, seems like he makes half of it up b/c the weird ass questions he gets asked
Re: Dubstep's History...
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:29 pm
by Sexual_Chocolate
rayman612 wrote:yeah the interviewers are so bad most the time
its JUST that bitch who looks like she could sport a moustache... the rest of em' are fine
Re: Dubstep's History...
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:36 pm
by didi
The guy who interviewed Martyn, and Mala, also did Kode9's second lecture. He's quite good.
MF Doom, and the woman who interviewed Skream and Benga are quite cringe though.
Re: Dubstep's History...
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:43 pm
by dickman69
it must be just that the bad ones stick out in memory more
i don't remember any problems with Mala's & haven't seen Martyn's, didn't know he had one
Re: Dubstep's History...
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:48 pm
by didi
Martyn's was really good.
I was saying, though, that the guy was good
Re: Dubstep's History...
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:51 pm
by Sexual_Chocolate
AH... FOUND HER!
http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/people/emma-warren
she needs a slap... either that, or she needs to learn how to conduct an interview properly
jesus christ she is so fucking bad
Re: Dubstep's History...
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:52 pm
by Clean
Muncey wrote:Yeah its decent, although the bloke annoyed me.. he was banging his head HARD to every tune Kode9 played. He played one of his tunes which was just a bassline with Spaceape over it and then he played another but a really upbeat tune.
He bopped his head the exact same way to both, it felt really forced and fake.
Are you seriously complaining about the way the guy bobbed his head?
Re: Dubstep's History...
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:01 pm
by exfox
Clean wrote:Muncey wrote:Yeah its decent, although the bloke annoyed me.. he was banging his head HARD to every tune Kode9 played. He played one of his tunes which was just a bassline with Spaceape over it and then he played another but a really upbeat tune.
He bopped his head the exact same way to both, it felt really forced and fake.
Are you seriously complaining about the way the guy bobbed his head?
yeah but the way he bobbed it was just
so bro, you know.
Re: Dubstep's History...
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:03 pm
by rorz9992
Facepalmed during the Skream one every time she pronounced 'garage' the weird posh way
Re: Dubstep's History...
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:43 pm
by Muncey
Clean wrote:Muncey wrote:Yeah its decent, although the bloke annoyed me.. he was banging his head HARD to every tune Kode9 played. He played one of his tunes which was just a bassline with Spaceape over it and then he played another but a really upbeat tune.
He bopped his head the exact same way to both, it felt really forced and fake.
Are you seriously complaining about the way the guy bobbed his head?
Yeah I am, apart from that he's decent and i've enjoyed the ones hes done. There were songs you could bop your head to, theres some (kode9 - sine of the dub) you just can't or at least bop slowly lol, he was going full on in almost exactly the same way to every single song i've seen played in every interview hes done.. it just seemed really forced and fake to me. ALSO it doesn't help they fucking zoom in on the interviewer while a songs playing.. like proper full headshot for a minute or so while the tracks playing.
Coinsidently this just popped up on my facebook. I turned his lecture off after half hour cause i found it so awkward and cringey to watch.. they can't seem to do any better now.
http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/maga ... ire-skream
Re: Dubstep's History...
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:47 pm
by Shum
Those "Rescued from the fire" articles are quite cool.
Re: Dubstep's History...
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:46 am
by Sonika
Yeah I'm watching kode9's right now, and the interviewer seems cool, and I also really liked the interviewer for Mala's lecture.
Skream's interviewer was really the only one who rubbed me the wrong way.
Re: Dubstep's History...
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:13 am
by seckle
you need to take the thug talk somewhere else from this point on. she's a member of this forum, and we have a rule about threatening other members of the forum. consider this your formal warning.
Re: Dubstep's History...
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:16 am
by seckle
Nevalo wrote:rayman612 wrote:yeah the interviewers are so bad most the time
its JUST that bitch who looks like she could sport a moustache... the rest of em' are fine
Re: Dubstep's History...
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:19 am
by Sexual_Chocolate
seckle, check your inbox
Re: Dubstep's History...
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:27 am
by djbmc
Muncey wrote:I watched the Addison Groove Redbull Lecture and he said he listens to like 60s African music and gets his inspiration from there, especially for the percussian. He doesn't listen or take any real influences from dance music anymore. It's fascinating seeing where individual artists get their influences from. The history of dubstep has been spoken about a billion times, its pretty heavily documented now.. the history of individuals and their inspirations is much more interesting.
Appleblims was an interesting watch as well. Highly advise them both along with Mala & Kode9s.
I hear there's some really interesting Dubstep coming out of Percussia these days.
Re: Dubstep's History...
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:49 am
by ekidd91
dididub wrote:The guy who interviewed Martyn, and Mala, also did Kode9's second lecture.
It's Benji B that did Mala, yeah?
Think Mad Professor is clearly tryna make a little extra cash, but nuff respect for him still, and the CD he's put out is pretty good.
Re: Dubstep's History...
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:55 am
by __________
particle-jim wrote:I think that mad professor thing looks like bit of a cash in
Unlikely. Mad Professor plays a LOT of gigs. If he wanted to cash in he'd double his fee and stop playing small venues.
alphacat wrote:don't kid yourself if you don't think there isn't just a little bit of an attempt to make coin from a hot brand either. Jamaicans tend to be incredibly pragmatic about music, and among Jamaican musicians it's as valid to try and pay the bills with it as to try and create a new artistic statement.
I dunno if you're specifically talking about Mad Professor but he's not Jamaican.
I doubt the prof. will be playing El-B and Horsepower on his "Roots of Dubstep" tour but I think the point is he sees the 'roots' part differently to this forum. Everyone sees music in a different way but Mad Professor literally hears DUB in everything. He talks about the dub in pop and rock and hip hop. This is a guy who built his first mixer and got in to the music game with no talent on any musical instrument, but an understanding of electronics. I think he's got enough authority to do a 'roots of' for most electronic genres.
Anyway I dunno what he's playing on his Roots of Dubstep tour but I'm sure it's worth the £12.50 ticket price. He's been performing for years and is definitely paying attention to dubstep these days. I know he's got a load of in-house Ariwa dubstep and plenty of Cessman/Terrafonix/Dubliminal tunes.