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Re: Hello!! I'm new to the site and want to start producing!

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:32 pm
by Zkeeto
AphoticSky wrote::t: Heey

So Ive been listening to dubstep and drum and bass since I was like 15 and I really want to start producing.
BUT I DONT KNOW WHERE TO START!!!

I literally have my bare computer. So Now I need you guys to help me and tell me what I need to get and what to use in order for me to start producing.
I dont want to a massive big set up as I can work my way up as I get better at it all.

Would really appreciate your help and advice guys.

:corndance:

Sky x

Also start learning some music theory.. I say some becuase if your new to music theory then youll only want to learn bits of it at a time. I would first recomend getting a straight forward DAW and just fuck around with it. no need for plugins at the state your in. like some others said., you dont need the "hottest new synth". I worked in reason 4 exclusively for two years and reason doesnt have the capability of using plugs but Reason is still a pretty powerful DAW. I was making some tunes that had my friends scratching their heads.

Its not all the fancy equipment that makes the musician. its the heart, dedication, and LOOOONG hours of work you put towards what you love.

I see to many prople go out and buy Ableton and Massive not knowing a damn thing about how to use them and before they even attempt to make their first tune they jump on the forums asking "DER...HOW DO I SOUND LiKE SKRILLEX".

Just remember to get IDEAS from other artists not copy them. I see toooooo much of that these days. Especially with the "Bro-step" and "Complextro" kids. (Im not even sure where the term complextro came from. I was just on the forums and saw people start using that term.)

IMO the worst thing you can do to yourself while being a producer is classify yourself into a genre. Just make music. whatever inspires you at the time. Dont get me wrong using "genre's" can help to a point but dont get so deep into it that your only making one "genre" of music.

Remember that originality comes from your heart...not what you heard at the club last night.

Re: Hello!! I'm new to the site and want to start producing!

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:52 pm
by Widowmaker
Hircine wrote:you're not cool because you hang in a website with a ton of nerds that claim to be too good for society because they stroke their penis to japanese cartoon kid porn, sorry.
are you talking about >meme arrows

i think the dude found about them from >9gag >lol






:james:

Re: Hello!! I'm new to the site and want to start producing!

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:55 pm
by bassinine
4chan, mutha fuckas.

Re: Hello!! I'm new to the site and want to start producing!

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:54 pm
by Widowmaker
I'm sure it was 9gag or reddit m8

Re: Hello!! I'm new to the site and want to start producing!

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:23 pm
by Turnipish_Thoughts
Mental. I'm from Lancashire UK :o

Anyway. I concur with what everyone else here has said, good advise all around. I'd really recommend Reaper, it's the shit and head and shoulders above the other 'free' options out there (technically it isn't free but I've not got round to getting a license yet and it's been my backbone for ages now). Go grab a copy of Computer Music magazine too (subscribe/buy regularly too! It's also an amazing monthly sample resource). There's a "CM Studio" on the DVD with a huge amount of 'magware' plugins, they're basically slightly stripped down versions of payware synths and fx units e.t.c, A new one is added every issue, always from big name developers too and I can personally attest to their professional quality. This approach will without doubt be your best one in entering the world of music production in terms of actually getting a studio`esque type thing together without destroying your bank account.

The other most important thing for you to do that will actually cost the most (given you take the free/magware route, otherwise, Daw/synths e.t.c. will probably come to more, and they're really not something you should be investing in until you're comfortable with the fundamentals) is getting yourself some decent listening material. Studio Monitors are Ideal, otherwise some decent headphones. Make sure you get 'monitoring' headphones, or 'monitors' and not 'speakers'. This is because normal speakers/headphones tend to colour the sound (even DJ headphones) and don't give an accurate frequency response. Monitors are 'transparent' and this is important if you are to be making music that can accurately translate in to different listening environments. Alesis M1Active 520usbs are decent budget Monitors, with the huge benefit of having a USB interface so you don't have to dish out another massive wad to get a soundcard.

I would also advise getting at least a 2 octave midi keyboard. M-Audio Oxygen 25, again is a decent Midi Keyboard for a really fair price. There are cheaper/ smaller e.t.c. though they tend to lack controller options. Oxygen 25 has a nice array of controls on-board which will make your life a million times easier (and fun) when doing sound design.

These are just my advised options, of course, depending on finance shop around and get higher tier stuff. But do your research! and make sure you're getting absolutely the best choice for your budget and needs. Don't rush things, take it slow, learn, think, make informed choices. If you're serious about this, the deeper you go into the world of producing the more you will come to utterly love it; and it's a passion that will last you a lifetime. Anyone on here will attest to this.

You will need to develop a critical relationship with music (as any creative type needs to with their medium). Learn to deconstruct tunes with your ear and see in to the make-up of how a tune has been constructed; in terms of sound design, melody, harmony, timbre, composition and over all creative choice. Learn to think about music in terms of these fundamentals when listening. As well as this seek as many resources as you can about Music Theory, Sound Design, Synthesis (all types, but begin with subtractive as this is arguably the simplest), the creative application of effects, The nature of sound as a science in general, how this translates psycho-acoustically into an experience and emotional response, and how as shapers of the sonic world we go about manipulating that. As you educate yourself on what I have mentioned your ability to deconstruct music and see in to the different elements of it's make-up will become easier as your deepening knowledge base will instruct your thoughts. This is a dynamic and personal process. As you develop, your experience of sound will change.

As part of your education in to sound engineering you will need to become very familiar with things like the frequency spectrum, the amplitude range, the stereo field and how these different elements relate to one another.

I have honestly only really scratched the surface with some of the fundamental broad areas you will need to become very familiar with, without going in to any depth about any of it, do not underestimate the depth each of these single subjects have alone. You will be able to make 'music' from the off-set, anyone can, but making good music that engages the listener will require you to become entwined with the soul of sound, you can only do this by learning it's nature...

Computer music production is deceptively deep and complicated, requiring a substantial grounding in both technical ability and understanding, and creative ingenuity. This will take a lot of time, so understand this, that it will take a long time for your ability to catch up with your tastes. You will have to come to terms with the sheer amount of stuff you're going to be learning. Keep at it and deal with the frustration when it comes (oh it will!), stick around, we're a helpful lot and some of the people here are extremely talented, not to mention some being well established producers / mixing and mastering engineers all to keen to pass on great advise. Don't mind the sarcy humour too, there's a bit of a 'culture' here but we're harmless when it comes down to it!

Good luck! If you've got any questions just ask, I've also got mind on a load of good learning resources I could list up for you if you're interested. But that is for another time, I've already written this much. ;-)

Re: Hello!! I'm new to the site and want to start producing!

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:41 pm
by mthrfnk
Man you've been doing some long posts lately, good on you :D

Re: Hello!! I'm new to the site and want to start producing!

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:10 pm
by Turnipish_Thoughts
mthrfnk wrote:Man you've been doing some long posts lately, good on you :D
It's kinda my thing :h:

Re: Hello!! I'm new to the site and want to start producing!

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:56 pm
by ill mindset
Turnipish Thoughts wrote:
mthrfnk wrote:Man you've been doing some long posts lately, good on you :D
It's kinda my thing :h:

I suspect its because a cute girl asked this time. haha

Re: Hello!! I'm new to the site and want to start producing!

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:38 am
by Turnipish_Thoughts
ill mindset wrote:
Turnipish Thoughts wrote:
mthrfnk wrote:Man you've been doing some long posts lately, good on you :D
It's kinda my thing :h:

I suspect its because a cute girl asked this time. haha
lol actually no I might as well be married, been living with my girl for 6 years :4:

Re: Hello!! I'm new to the site and want to start producing!

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:55 am
by twilitez
Alphacat almost nailed it, only 2 things missing;
Varietyofsound/ Bootsy, and VladG, links inc.
http://varietyofsound.wordpress.com/
http://vladgsound.wordpress.com/

When it comes to compression/ saturation/ limiting/ bus strips and some more stuff, these plugs arent just free, but arguably some of the best available out there in general.

Re: Hello!! I'm new to the site and want to start producing!

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 2:11 am
by 3za
alphacat wrote:14 year old boy
:o

Re: Hello!! I'm new to the site and want to start producing!

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 2:22 am
by twilitez
I paid no attention to that at all. If it was a 9 foot reptoid alien asking for advice id post the exact same stuff. That said the pic is probably not him/ her.

Re: Hello!! I'm new to the site and want to start producing!

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:19 am
by ill mindset
twilitez wrote:Alphacat almost nailed it, only 2 things missing;
Varietyofsound/ Bootsy, and VladG, links inc.
http://varietyofsound.wordpress.com/
http://vladgsound.wordpress.com/

When it comes to compression/ saturation/ limiting/ bus strips and some more stuff, these plugs arent just free, but arguably some of the best available out there in general.
I dont understand why you would even confuse a noob with things like this. Baby steps yo!
:u:

Re: Hello!! I'm new to the site and want to start producing!

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:06 am
by Crimsonghost
@3Za


My wife thinks you're avatar is (In her words) adorable.


That is all.....


If you find my balls please let me know.....

Re: Hello!! I'm new to the site and want to start producing!

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:06 pm
by bassinine
Widowmaker wrote:I'm sure it was 9gag or reddit m8
hahahaha.

that was a joke right?

no?

well, you've just showed the whole world that you don't know shit about the internets.

will say it again, 4chan /v/ board.

Re: Hello!! I'm new to the site and want to start producing!

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:22 pm
by chekov
xD^

>suggesting meme arrows arent from 9gag comment sections

Re: Hello!! I'm new to the site and want to start producing!

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:24 pm
by bassinine
chekov wrote:xD^

>suggesting meme arrows arent from 9gag comment sections
http://boards.4chan.org/v/

9gag hasn't even been around long enough to originate this.

">" tags the text you're about to type as the color green on 4chan, hence the name GREEN TEXT.

Re: Hello!! I'm new to the site and want to start producing!

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:40 pm
by mthrfnk
lmfao....

The only reason I used ">" in the first place was because I cba to look up the alt code for an actual bullet point.

Re: Hello!! I'm new to the site and want to start producing!

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:11 pm
by chekov
bassinine wrote:
chekov wrote:xD^

>suggesting meme arrows arent from 9gag comment sections
http://boards.4chan.org/v/

9gag hasn't even been around long enough to originate this.

">" tags the text you're about to type as the color green on 4chan, hence the name GREEN TEXT.
lol why would anyone go there you cant even see whos posting what

Re: Hello!! I'm new to the site and want to start producing!

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:53 pm
by 3za
Crimsonghost wrote:My wife thinks you're avatar is (In her words) adorable..
:corndance: