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Artie Fufkin wrote:whether or not you're using a limiter, isn't it still going to be the same rms, just different frequencies? your speakers won't be doing any less work. if you're fully clipping in digital, it won't get any louder.
You could use something that mutes or lowers the level if it goes over a threshold, like the opposite of a gate. I forgot what the name for that is because it's built into the gate in renoise. It would be so you're hearing what the gate is filtering out instead.

Ah yes thank you for pointing that out. I researched a bit of what you were saying, and found a similar post on kvr where some guy blew his speakers from a feedback loop in cubase.

Someone responded saying...
"it doesn't matter if it hit +6dB or +100dB; the values IIRC are from the 32 bit float engine. Anything above 0dBFS on the meter when it's mixed down to the selected bit you have Cubase set to (44.1Khz, 16 bit, for example) never goes any higher than 0dB because it can't. Cubase internal isn't analog. If it was, then yes, I'd agree that hitting +100dB would be louder than 0dB. This is digital; the laws of 0dBFS is absolute. You now just get digital noise, and nothing more when you clip the meter. It isn't 'louder' digital noise when the meter clips at +12dB, vs. +3dB, it's just noise. Now, if the speakers can tolerate digital noise when it's cranked all the way up, I think you have your answer. It's not like the amp and speakers were specifically tailored to handle all circumstances."

So it sounds like the only good a limiter would do is preventing the digital noise that occurs when clipping the master output, but you are correct in saying the output would still be 0db. I know some DAW's have the option of automatically muting the master output when it exceeds a set db level, which may be useful for some.

I know Reaper has an option where it auto mutes a channel if it's too high on volume (set on +15dB by default i think), isn't there a similar option in your daw?

Throw a limiter on the master when your messing about to avoid those 9000 dbs

I'm guessing the resonance control is actually modulating the bandwidth on the bp filter, so you arent actually using a shitton of resonance until you switch to hp... havent used volcano so i couldnt tell you for sure

Coolschmid wrote:Fucking third time its happened in the last few months, I'm messing around with some crazy fabfilter volcano action, a bunch of band passes with the resonance cranked all the way up and a little distortion in the chain. For some reason with these band passes you can put the resonance all the way up and not have it be loud, and the way I work is swapping things in and out, changing alot of settings on the fly.

Problem comes when I think HEY LETS MAKE THE HIGHEST FREQ BANDPASS ON THIS BITCH A HIGHPASS FILTER AND SEE HOW TIGHT THIS FILTER ACTION SOUNDS.

THEN HOLY SHIT ALL OF A SUDDEN OVER 9000 DECIBELS OF DISTORTED HIGHPASS RESONANCE STARTS SCREECHING THROUGH MY MONITORS. I FUCKING PUNCH THE STOP BUTTON IN MY DAW BUT THAT SHITS ON FEEDBACK OR SOMETHING SO I THRUST MY FIST THROUGH MY AUDIO INTERFACE AND DISINTEGRATE IT FROM THE INSIDE OUT. TOO LATE MOTHERFUCKER THAT SHIT WAS ON FOR LIKE FIVE WHOLE SECONDS. EARS AND MONITORS = RAPED.

I really need to have a limiter start on the master in my default project files.

So how do I tell if I damaged my speakers or something like that? I would try to listen for a difference but it sounds like I'm underwater.

lol'd

Check on headphones and compare, if there's serious damage you'll be able to notice the difference, maybe look at a spectrum anaylser and trust your ears to see if you notice a lack of treble, bass etc and compare with the spectrum

fragments wrote:

skimpi wrote:yeah just put an limiter on the master with 0.0db threshold of whatever.

or stop being a twat and having full resonance or whatever the fuck you just said, stop telling us things you do bad i dont care

now you've gone and made the boy all weepy like someone pissed his cheerios

Lol

Coolschmid wrote:Fucking third time its happened in the last few months, I'm messing around with some crazy fabfilter volcano action, a bunch of band passes with the resonance cranked all the way up and a little distortion in the chain. For some reason with these band passes you can put the resonance all the way up and not have it be loud, and the way I work is swapping things in and out, changing alot of settings on the fly.

Problem comes when I think HEY LETS MAKE THE HIGHEST FREQ BANDPASS ON THIS BITCH A HIGHPASS FILTER AND SEE HOW TIGHT THIS FILTER ACTION SOUNDS.

If you have a highpass/lowpass filter and have the resonance all the way up, you're gonna have a bad time.