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tronman wrote: the bargain bins are heat aswell. nuff old garage that DJs from around west london have sold off.

There used to be a whole store in Notting Hill where everything inside used to be 20p. I used to spend hours in there and come out with a heavy load of vinyl for less than a tenner. Bought Eric B and Rakim - Paid In Full amongst many other classics. (This is around 1994).

Then everyone went hip hop crazy and they got wise to it.

I rarely find a bargain in any of them these days and find the staff remind me of the Comic Store guy in the Simpsons.

Dutty Yuppie wrote:Whilst I totally agree with your sentiments on this thread, particularly with CD releases, I must confess to having bought plenty of promo vinyls in the various record exchanges in Notting Hill and Soho....They stock tons of them. I doubt I'm the only one here.

Seckle - I hope that doesn't cause a problem in light of your post above.

that's different - those are more likely the same as promos you buy in the shops - "for promotional purpose only, not for resale" is printed on promo run records in the UK because they can be sold without adding VAT = more profit.

This case of the Box of Dub II on ebay is different, as it's someone who's on the Soul Jazz mailing list so either a gigging DJ, or reviewer/journalist who is selling promotional material that they've been sent. This isn't that uncommon, but it's still quite cheeky - I'll bet these are the same people who don't even bother to return feedback (which is generally the idea of promo mailing lists).

The part that's pissing peeps off here is that the LP hasn't even been released yet - Soul Jazz won't be happy that advanced copies are available to the public, as this makes it more likely the files will be shared and so on.


It's an abuse of the 'system' of promotional mailing lists, and of the trust of labels/specialist promo companies.

ThinKing wrote: that's different - those are more likely the same as promos you buy in the shops - "for promotional purpose only, not for resale" is printed on promo run records in the UK because they can be sold without adding VAT = more profit.

Very often they come with the whole press release spiel and feedback form but I see your point.

Wil Blaze wrote:

ThinKing wrote:

Wil Blaze wrote:Yeah i heard it can work if you get enough people to host in on the p2p sites...

i only know like 2 people that even use them tho

any ideas for methods of flooding the networks with fake files anyone?

i know of at least 2 products in development which could spell the end of downloading music via p2p as we know it.

go on...


or is it all "hush hush"???

i don't think it would be polite for me to spill the beans tbh, and I know only vague details. I can say that it's peeps who are big on the underground music scene who are developing one of the products in question, in conjunction with web security experts, and could be very effective indeed at reducing the number of files shared on p2p and torrent sites.

cool...

i have a big interest in this sort of thing... so let us know more as an when it's appropriate...

safe

Wil Blaze wrote:

ThinKing wrote:

Wil Blaze wrote:Yeah i heard it can work if you get enough people to host in on the p2p sites...

i only know like 2 people that even use them tho

any ideas for methods of flooding the networks with fake files anyone?

i know of at least 2 products in development which could spell the end of downloading music via p2p as we know it.

go on...


or is it all "hush hush"???

hollywood is already using cap code in nearly all it's films these days.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coded_Anti-Piracy

a similar system for putting a code inside audio files in the high frequencies beyond human range but detectable by software is coming fast.

the other idea that's been in place for a few years now is an international "infringement database" which is being compiled by several companies. here's one example:
http://www.baytsp.com/solutions/enforce ... vices.html

what will happen with all these databases is still unknown, but i would say that once all the country specific anti piracy laws get ironed out, it wouldn't be farsighted to think that people will start getting contacted by lawyers or police.

so that file someone downloaded illegally in 2004 or 2006, might come back to bite them in the ass in 2008 or 2009, or whenever they decide to implement all these databases.

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badger wrote:think we need to get jack sparrow on the case

Brilliant idea[/quote]

just run the fuckers through with a rusty blade!

i for one think piracy should be kept out at sea and not used for killing peoples prospects

ThinKing wrote:i don't think it would be polite for me to spill the beans tbh, and I know only vague details. I can say that it's peeps who are big on the underground music scene who are developing one of the products in question, in conjunction with web security experts, and could be very effective indeed at reducing the number of files shared on p2p and torrent sites.

This does not bode well. We have more to gain as human beings by retaining the right to freely exchange information.

ThinKing wrote: i know of at least 2 products in development which could spell the end of downloading music via p2p as we know it.

The only way this is going to happen is if the industry gets the right to breach data privacy severely on a major scale. If that happens, I'm gonna be worried about what sort of liberties one will be allowed to take next in this regard.

I would advise agaisnt too much reliance on present or future anti-pirating software. CAP has existed for a number of years and has had few tangible ramifications for illicit rippers and downloaders. The same is true for audio rips. I have worked for a number of mainstream record labels and, needless to say, over the past decade millions has been invested to hault the proliferation of p2p and to little or no avail. The attitude among music execs and artists alike is shifting toward acceptance and circumvention - often in quite imaginative and interesting ways (Prince, Radiohead etc). Why is this not possible within the smaller alternative scenes? If artists in the dubstep community feel they are not satisfactorily renumerated for their efforts there are a number of avenues available. Aside from merchandising (which is often a conspicuous absense at dubstep nights, though I'm not saying that's a bad thing), why not hold exclusive events for 'true fans' who recieve tickets when the buy the album? Or add further incentives to purchase the product such as in depth artist profiles, iterviews, films of live performances, posters etc included with the cd? In my experience, when artists associated with any genre are well-liked and achieve a loyal following, they find that while they may not have a lavish lifestyle, they are able, at least as long as they are imaginative and work hard, to get by doing something that they love.

I'm left disappointed by the title of this thread...I thought we were organising a fight...

classagraphics wrote:why don't people sell records or cds at shows even, or get some cheap mixes just as promotion.

Benga used to do this. I bought Benga Beats off him in Leeds he had pure copies with him. £5 bargain.

box of dub II?

rubin wrote:

classagraphics wrote:why don't people sell records or cds at shows even, or get some cheap mixes just as promotion.

Benga used to do this. I bought Benga Beats off him in Leeds he had pure copies with him. £5 bargain.

I saw Ramadanman with an armful of Hessle 12"s at virtually every DMZ I went to last year as well. It seemed to work, too.

ah, I found the other thread.


Can't wait to hear it!

mm.. people need to relax the fuck out on piracy. its same as taping it off a mate. ok so you're taping it off some bloke who aint your mate and you're not using a tape but the principle is the same.

nothing is lost. nothing is gained. there is no physical product.

people are just swapping data. if it gets leaked early.. who gives a shit.. its not like its half finished and people are going to end up with an un-realisd vision of what'll eventually make it to press.

mans like radiohead have the right idea.. allowing people to 'elect' how much they want to pay for their digital download is the future.

mm.. people need to relax the fuck out on piracy.

i agree wholeheartedly

it is not the end of making money from music and never will be

evol intent made a song and put it out there.. filename was evol intent and mayhem dubplate.mp3 or whetever

it was actually them

but it was a metal song, and the lyrics were 'touch my balls and ass'

i lol'd

We're always up against pirates in my line of work. What one of our brilliant game system programmers did is to make the game slowly degrade after some time playing it. After 2 levels, weird things would start happening and the game would slowly be rendered unplayable. The pirates certainly wouldn't be bothered testing it that far into the game to see if it's working or not, so our little 'fuck you' would go undetected for the most part. Plus, the kiddy that got the dodgy copy would probably be hooked at that point and have to go and buy the game. Also, scrambling and corrupting all their save files on their mem cards is fun and serves them right.



It would be nice if such a thing could be done with music.

ThinKing wrote:
i know of at least 2 products in development which could spell the end of downloading music via p2p as we know it.

Then p2p music downloading will just change to some other program / protocol. Again.
Anti-piracy measures / DRM and the like will never succeed, they will just piss people off, often people who have paid for a product and find themselves unable to use it as they would expect.
Of course P2P is entirely irrelevant to this topic. This is just greedy and rude, which to be honest are slightly larger problems than music piracy.