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Serox wrote:

jackieboi wrote:

xTheWiddler wrote:reason also has too many knobs and buttons that cant be automated, wtf is this nonsense!

if i can turn it, and it changes the sound, i should be able to record that shit right there! DAMN!

really? i havent come across anything that cant be automated. Fair enough you have to set up a sequencer track for certain things to be automated but apart from that ive never had any trouble - what kinda stuff have you been trying to automate?

I think in the bigger sampler some of the shit on there cannot be used for automation.

ah right, ive never really learned how to use that much to be honest, never had much need. probably should though!

relik wrote:Should be able to create an automation clip fine. Not sure why you can't. Maybe you're not actually tweaking the rate knob unsynced and then trying to create automation from last tweaked parameter? I'm able to automate Massive LFO fine in FL. You just have to have it unsynced. You can sync it yourself with automation. You probably don't want your wobbles to be perfectly synced anyway.

Can you explain this further?
And what is syncin got to do with this?
Thanks

Docwra wrote:If you use a stand alone Filter plug in like TC's Filtartor for example you can automate the LFO sync and know reason why you can't in other synths i guess.

is TC filtrator a synth or an FX plug in??

if its an FX plugin, then that would explain why you can't in other synths

Psyolopher wrote: Can you explain this further?
And what is syncin got to do with this?
Thanks

This has been touched numerous times. People just need to read posts or the manuals for the software they are using. In FL, to automate any non-native VST/Effect you need to tweak a knob first for what you want to automate and then goto last tweaked parameter > create automation clip. Problem is Massive is too massive for some people and they try automating things like the range settings and think that's the LFO rate.

To automate Massive's LFO, simply assign say LFO 5 to a filter cutoff. Go into the LFO tab for LFO 5 and uncheck synced under rate. You can't automate the LFO rate in Massive when it is synced. When you are automating you have full control of the LFO rate not just 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, etc rates. You can't create an automation clip to control the synced rates (IE: go through 1/4, 1/8, 1/16 etc only when your automation goes up and down or if your using a controller and tweak a knob). Your only option is to use unsynced rates for automation and draw them synced yourself if that is what you are after. Once the rate is unsynced, tweak the rate knob up or down and then create an automation clip through the last tweaked parameter option. This is the basis for automating non-native VSTs in FL.

relik wrote:
This has been touched numerous times. People just need to read posts or the manuals for the software they are using. In FL, to automate any non-native VST/Effect you need to tweak a knob first for what you want to automate and then goto last tweaked parameter > create automation clip. Problem is Massive is too massive for some people and they try automating things like the range settings and think that's the LFO rate.

To automate Massive's LFO, simply assign say LFO 5 to a filter cutoff. Go into the LFO tab for LFO 5 and uncheck synced under rate. You can't automate the LFO rate in Massive when it is synced. When you are automating you have full control of the LFO rate not just 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, etc rates. You can't create an automation clip to control the synced rates (IE: go through 1/4, 1/8, 1/16 etc only when your automation goes up and down or if your using a controller and tweak a knob). Your only option is to use unsynced rates for automation and draw them synced yourself if that is what you are after. Once the rate is unsynced, tweak the rate knob up or down and then create an automation clip through the last tweaked parameter option. This is the basis for automating non-native VSTs in FL.

damn I find that confusing. Maybe it will make more sense when I am sitting with FL.

Serox wrote:

relik wrote:
This has been touched numerous times. People just need to read posts or the manuals for the software they are using. In FL, to automate any non-native VST/Effect you need to tweak a knob first for what you want to automate and then goto last tweaked parameter > create automation clip. Problem is Massive is too massive for some people and they try automating things like the range settings and think that's the LFO rate.

To automate Massive's LFO, simply assign say LFO 5 to a filter cutoff. Go into the LFO tab for LFO 5 and uncheck synced under rate. You can't automate the LFO rate in Massive when it is synced. When you are automating you have full control of the LFO rate not just 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, etc rates. You can't create an automation clip to control the synced rates (IE: go through 1/4, 1/8, 1/16 etc only when your automation goes up and down or if your using a controller and tweak a knob). Your only option is to use unsynced rates for automation and draw them synced yourself if that is what you are after. Once the rate is unsynced, tweak the rate knob up or down and then create an automation clip through the last tweaked parameter option. This is the basis for automating non-native VSTs in FL.

damn I find that confusing. Maybe it will make more sense when I am sitting with FL.

Pbviously

relik wrote:

Psyolopher wrote: Can you explain this further?
And what is syncin got to do with this?
Thanks

This has been touched numerous times. People just need to read posts or the manuals for the software they are using. In FL, to automate any non-native VST/Effect you need to tweak a knob first for what you want to automate and then goto last tweaked parameter > create automation clip. Problem is Massive is too massive for some people and they try automating things like the range settings and think that's the LFO rate.

To automate Massive's LFO, simply assign say LFO 5 to a filter cutoff. Go into the LFO tab for LFO 5 and uncheck synced under rate. You can't automate the LFO rate in Massive when it is synced. When you are automating you have full control of the LFO rate not just 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, etc rates. You can't create an automation clip to control the synced rates (IE: go through 1/4, 1/8, 1/16 etc only when your automation goes up and down or if your using a controller and tweak a knob). Your only option is to use unsynced rates for automation and draw them synced yourself if that is what you are after. Once the rate is unsynced, tweak the rate knob up or down and then create an automation clip through the last tweaked parameter option. This is the basis for automating non-native VSTs in FL.

Thanks alot m8!
Really what i also needed!

Anyone tried linking the lfo speed knob to another lfo on a slower rate?

I think it's possible with massive/albino/blue.

Just to throw another idea into the pot..

I sometimes use 4 instances of massive in one project, each with the same patch, but with different settings. You can have a different lfo rate for each one, and or different timbres.

Think my PC is an Althon 64, 1Ghz*, with 1GB of ram and it does it no problem.

Once you got some sections laid out record them to audio and delete an instance of massive.

*could be 2Ghz actually.

I usually just use my ear and no sync function.

The one time we made a tune using the sync function, we sat there and picked out all the LFO speeds that worked with the tune, bounced out 4 bars of each, and just played the choppy choppy game. Didn't take very long and got exactly the result we were looking for.

That will get you there quicker than trying to figure out how to automate that stupid sync function. The one thing that really pisses me off about Massive.

I also have a problem with massive
I combine it with fruity loops and i mastered the plugin but i cant use "last tweaked parameter" anymore so i cant make any automation clips :(
I already asked google for help but he cant find the answer
Too make it all clear for you guys i made a simple basic file in FL and made a small wobble so mayB you guys can see something i did wrong.


GRTZZ & thx

happens here too... but u could just experiment & try. (like i did)
there a browse parameter buttom, puts the parameters (knobs) in the browser section. right click or whatever u want to automate then edit event.

dux wrote:happens here too... but u could just experiment & try. (like i did)
there a browse parameter buttom, puts the parameters (knobs) in the browser section. right click or whatever u want to automate then edit event.

thx mate!!!!!
that helped me alot (i did experiment tho, but i'm not very experienced with fruity loops)

GRTZZZ

This has been touched numerous times. People just need to read posts or the manuals for the software they are using. In FL, to automate any non-native VST/Effect you need to tweak a knob first for what you want to automate and then goto last tweaked parameter > create automation clip. Problem is Massive is too massive for some people and they try automating things like the range settings and think that's the LFO rate.

To automate Massive's LFO, simply assign say LFO 5 to a filter cutoff. Go into the LFO tab for LFO 5 and uncheck synced under rate. You can't automate the LFO rate in Massive when it is synced. When you are automating you have full control of the LFO rate not just 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, etc rates. You can't create an automation clip to control the synced rates (IE: go through 1/4, 1/8, 1/16 etc only when your automation goes up and down or if your using a controller and tweak a knob). Your only option is to use unsynced rates for automation and draw them synced yourself if that is what you are after. Once the rate is unsynced, tweak the rate knob up or down and then create an automation clip through the last tweaked parameter option. This is the basis for automating non-native VSTs in FL.

Thanks! couldnt find out the syncbutton was messing up my plan

It helps to draw a bit of automation for each LFO-rate you probably wanna use in a given song. Once this is done, it's copy paste from there..

OR

You can start by syncing Massiv's LFO-rate and WRITE your midi-data of the synced LFO (1/4 - 1/4T - 1/8 - 1/8T - ...whatever...) to the automation-lane or midi-cc lane.
You guessed it, it's copy paste from there...

But as this issue is constantly poppin up on almost every forum possible, i assume the NI people are well aware of this 'bug' and will fix this (crossed fingers knocking on wood) with the next version/udpate.

If ableton live had some sort of LFO built-in that you could assign to any parameter that can be automated, that would be dope. I don't understand why this isn't the case, it's totally technologically feasible. You can already assign MIDI, keystrokes, or even macro knobs to almost any parameter through a simple GUI, why not a built in synced LFO?

When using Ableton I tend to just stick an auto filter on massive as the synced rate of that can be very easily automated. Problem is, the auto filter's lfo has a narrow range, and it is also a shitty digital filter. "Daft" filter from massive has a much nicer analog sound. They really gotta fix this bug.

Axis i tried your method and i found it a bit to hard to get the rate changing at the right time. So i had a look around tried some other filters. Not much luck until i tried reaktor i mocked up a simple patch with some macros. Patched midi into it via a separate track so i could use the keytrack follower and so i could trigger envelopes.

So now i have a patch with 3 normal lfos 1 envelope and 1 lfo which you can draw the waveform into. Connected to one of reaktors filters. I can now switch between the lfos as needed. All the lfos have various waveshaping controls and the filter sounds great. And the timing is tight

I use cakewalks Z3ta+ and Rapture which both have automatable LFO sync tempo's.

Massive is a kick ass synth so they need to include it in a future update.

for now like stated earlier, I would make 4 or so instances of the same synth(inc effects) and sync each to the desired tempo and move from one to the other.