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bootystep wrote:How did Ketamine become socially acceptable?! In my eyes its on a par with Smack! Who agrees with me on this?

Each to there own mate, someone wants to take Smack so be it. I imagien they deem it to be sociably acceptable! Havin an impression someone isn't going to be socialbly acceptable before meeting them because of what drugs they have is bonkers!

And I've met many a nice K-Heads and many a horrible drunk! But those drunks just dont seem to get that haha!!!

just go to different nites with different people. God knows there's enough dubstep nites in Bristol nowadays...

You should come to Leicester...

Everybody drinks Vimto and there's always a selection of sandwiches available (cucumber ones mostly). The only downside is that the women have beards and no teeth.

i think that increased tempos...more stateside oriented influence, and the dnb influx in general will ruin dumbstep way more than we can even imagine

a few people who i used to call good friends at some point started doing heinous amounts of ket and disappeared off the face of the earth, only to return as utter wastemen, living purely for in-jokes they made up whilst spangled that actually make no sense at all. Some of these guys were really promising DJ's/producers, but after getting hooked, they seemed to lose all interest..

this topic hit a nerve as the other night i saw a documentary on current tv about the effects of K and how much they actually use to knock a horse out...really quite disturbing....

http://current.com/items/89057053_ketam ... for_horses

ok, so I was a bit pissed last night, and obviously on a 5 pint cider rant (hence the 'lone soldier!', :doh:)... but my opinion still stands.

Bristol seems to have a really bad Ketamine problem, and it doesn't matter what night you go to or who's playing, theres still LOADS of people wonkying donkeying it through the crowd.

I know its each to their own when it comes to drug intake, but I still dont agree with the extent of K use that is happening in Dubstep nights across Bristol. At Outlook in Croatia it was a breath of fresh air to be able to talk to people because they weren't in a ketamine stupor.

Maybe you lot are all K Heads yourself which is why you dont agree with me, but I think that as a drug its anti-social and self indulgent (as most drugs are), I dont understand why people put themselves into that level of vulnerability, and I really cannot fathom why Ketamine is still a class C drug!?

ThinKing wrote:just go to different nites with different people. God knows there's enough dubstep nites in Bristol nowadays...

Thinking, every post I read by you makes 100% sense and should be taken in 100% big up

Joe Muggs wrote:

ThinKing wrote:just go to different nites with different people. God knows there's enough dubstep nites in Bristol nowadays...

Thinking, every post I read by you makes 100% sense and should be taken in 100% big up

Thats why he's called Thinking innit? Original souljah

bootystep wrote:Bristol seems to have a really bad Ketamine problem, and it doesn't matter what night you go to or who's playing, theres still LOADS of people wonkying donkeying it through the crowd.

in all honesty, I agree with you. In no way do I resent anyone else's desire to take any drug - that's up to them - but I do feel it's a bit of a vibe-killer and K is certainly rife in Bristol. It's also one of the (variety of) reasons I haven't been to the last 2 or 3 Subloaded parties.


That said, I think if you go to a smaller & more clued-up nite, aimed at the more 'mature' market, you'll be ok. Ruffnek Discotek and Dubloaded are two off the top of my head where you rarely get bumped into by K-ed up kiddies.

This thread is one big BAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWW.


Special K (the cereal) is awesome. Dubstep is awesome. I can enjoy them both separately, but they go together like a house on fire.

It's like saying "Drugs ruin music."

Drugs can ruin music, though. I'm not anti drugs, far from it, but I'm old enough and ugly enough to have seen loads of scenes disappear up their own hooters. Too much K, everyone's in their own little world and nobody looks at each other or notices what's going on. Too much E and speed and all people want is something that'll make them rush. Too much gak and it's all swagger and giving it the large and turning up the treble til it fucking hurts. Too much bud (especially skunk) and it gets all noidy and dark. Too much alcohol and everyone just wants shit they can sing along to. And so it goes. No drug in itself is evil (OK the ones that are properly addictive are best avoided on the whole) but when any one drug takes over or becomes the entire point of the night out, it's game over...

well said joe!

claw wrote:i think that increased tempos...more stateside oriented influence, and the dnb influx in general will ruin dumbstep way more than we can even imagine

They're too late. It's already been ruined by the influx of moshers, nu-rave kids, trendies, chavs, pill monsters, emo kids, internet neeks, ginger people, opera fans, teddy boy revivalists etc etc cf dubstepforum passim. It's also the first genre ever to be simultaneously too fast and too slow.


We're doomed!

ThinKing wrote:

bootystep wrote:Bristol seems to have a really bad Ketamine problem, and it doesn't matter what night you go to or who's playing, theres still LOADS of people wonkying donkeying it through the crowd.

in all honesty, I agree with you. In no way do I resent anyone else's desire to take any drug - that's up to them - but I do feel it's a bit of a vibe-killer and K is certainly rife in Bristol. It's also one of the (variety of) reasons I haven't been to the last 2 or 3 Subloaded parties.


That said, I think if you go to a smaller & more clued-up nite, aimed at the more 'mature' market, you'll be ok. Ruffnek Discotek and Dubloaded are two off the top of my head where you rarely get bumped into by K-ed up kiddies.

granted, I did goto a student dubstep night at Tube, so I dont know why i expected it to be any good... which probably assisted the desire for people to get so off their nut to numb their bored brains... lesson learnt

joshuaBLACK wrote: The tunes were really mediocre, and it was almost like K gave the tunes a seal of approval.

lol. Come to Heny G & Quest on saturday and ditch your mates.

Joe Muggs wrote:Drugs can ruin music, though. I'm not anti drugs, far from it, but I'm old enough and ugly enough to have seen loads of scenes disappear up their own hooters. Too much K, everyone's in their own little world and nobody looks at each other or notices what's going on. Too much E and speed and all people want is something that'll make them rush. Too much gak and it's all swagger and giving it the large and turning up the treble til it fucking hurts. Too much bud (especially skunk) and it gets all noidy and dark. Too much alcohol and everyone just wants shit they can sing along to. And so it goes. No drug in itself is evil (OK the ones that are properly addictive are best avoided on the whole) but when any one drug takes over or becomes the entire point of the night out, it's game over...

please forgive the outrageous generalisations that i'm about to speak (and the London-centricity!), but lets see where it goes anyway

what about the way that drugs ruin (or inversely stimulate) music, rather than specific scenes or genres?

i think there's a strong argument to say that focused intensity is a good thing in dance music sub-genres in terms of what possibilities are opened up... imbalance drives people to do things differently, and motivates people to create something that they feel is missing

say darkcore or tech-step, in themselves the drugs probably had some kind of influence on the sound accelerating towards something that a lot of people aren't feeling so much, and many ex-hardcore ravers i'm sure would say the rave 'scene' in London (as far as it can be jammed into one continuum) was 'ruined'. but the way those scenes went surely to some extent provided a context which was begging for garage. likewise would grime and dubstep have emerged as they did without all the coked and champered up excesses of 2step?

for me, all of these forms of music are exciting (at least partially) because of their intensity, which im sure everyone can agree is tied closely to use of intense drugs

even within micro-context, in late 2006/7 EVERYONE was moaning about boring halfstep and too many boys smoking weed. now much of dubstep is rammed with garage drums, freak-out synth-lines - the shift to big rooms and loads of pill-heads has done some bad things but some of the music that has come (at least partially) as a consequence (Joker, Starkey etc) is next level

in any case, major trends in drug use usually reflect social trends of some sort, and undoubtedly reflect on something which is at the least interesting, if not always conducive to the funnest times for someone who isn't into that specific vibe

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Slothrop wrote:

claw wrote:i think that increased tempos...more stateside oriented influence, and the dnb influx in general will ruin dumbstep way more than we can even imagine

They're too late. It's already been ruined by the influx of moshers, nu-rave kids, trendies, chavs, pill monsters, emo kids, internet neeks, ginger people, opera fans, teddy boy revivalists etc etc cf dubstepforum passim. It's also the first genre ever to be simultaneously too fast and too slow.


We're doomed!

lol

I can't see why people actually enjoy K - the shit is meant for horses and elephants just leave it to the animals! Mixmag reported this month that too much use can damage your bladder meaning you have to piss in a bag for the rest of your life!!

some WEAK MINDED ppl if they cant FEEL the rave without drugs.

fair enuff if they night aint massive, at least u can jam and appreciate the music. but if they cant feel anything off the music and need drugs to feel it then thats just weak.

i dunno bout where ur at, but in london i always see ppl who are passionate bout the sound, as appose to soley feeling it from drugs. thats just air, ur going with or to the wrong crowd. if u wanted to introduce ur mates to it in a better light u shud of taken em to a bigger night.

ive never touched K in my life and dnt intend to, yet i can still skank out and enjoy myself in a rave and so can many others.

I have a friend who thinks ketamine is actually good for him.

Ain't even gonna read this thread but KETAMINE is a fools drug.

You can spot them a mile off in any club. They are the ones that look completely fucked and spaced off their fucking nuts moving at about 1 bpm.

Allow that shit. Can't even speak to them. They just mumble like fucking idiots. At least you can spark them out and not feel sorry, they won't even feel it.